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Every thread about US politics has this comment, and the same response: this is not the right outlet, and some people feel like this content does not fit the to

by nicbou 9mo ago

Every thread about US politics has this comment, and the same response: this is not the right outlet, and some people feel like this content does not fit the topic of the website. If you are not American, it’s rather tiring to have every website and news outlet talk about it ad nauseum, and have it take over every subreddit and conversation. Americans get all uppity when you tell them that you don’t want that, as if their news are so important that they transcend categorisation. I care. It’s important. It’s just not the right website.

senordevnyc 9mo ago
Then go ignore it on your country’s version of HN.
datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
You will be affected by the (hypothetical) fall of American hegemony, whether it’s increased aggression in spheres of influence (Russia, China, India), market failures, or even a fracturing or collapse of digital services (Azure, AWS). I don’t understand the insistence that this isn’t on topic. Hard not to paint it as anything but willfully ignorant.
- nicbou 9mo ago
  I'm not ignorant. I just don't want it in my morning cereal when it's also everywhere else. Awareness of your country's politics definitely isn't the issue here. I am keenly aware of the US presidents' threats to invade my country. The issue is the insistence that it has to be discussed in every community, all the time, and that the importance transcends categorisation. Every website just becomes another dumping ground for US politics, and when you bring that up, Americans get indignant. It's Hacker News. I am here for news for hackers. The guidelines are pretty explicit: "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic".
  - krapp 9mo ago
    I'm looking at the front page right now and it's entirely "news for hackers." You had to go out of your way to find this thread and make multiple comments complaining about it. Just ignore the thread, or hide it and move on.
    - nicbou 9mo ago
      Yes, because the flagging system works. I'm advocating for things staying that way
      - krapp 9mo ago
        One can see flagged stories and the vast majority including the flagged aren't political in nature. Yet people like yourself single out the minority that are, regardless of how civil the discussion is, and flag them anyway. So the visibility of these stories isn't the issue, and the quality of discussion isn't the issue, since neither matter. I wonder what is it that people actually object to?
  - ryandrake 9mo ago
    The web site already has a tool for this: The "hide" button. If you don't want to see an article, just click it and go on eating your cereal.
    - DeusExMachina 9mo ago
      That can be said about any post that goes against the guidelines. At that point, why even have guidelines in the first place?
      - nicbou 9mo ago
        If you don't like my constant screaming, just get ear plugs
        johnnyanmac 9mo ago
        Yes, the internet is a loud place. Adding to the noise never helps. People who really care about this should male a quieter space for themselves, or start really pushing on mods and admins. Arguing among the rabble is the slowest method to achieve change.
        comfysocks 9mo ago
        If someone screams at you, they are actively invading your space. On the other hand, if you actively click on an article, read it, and make multiple posts on it, well that’s on you.
      - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
        Guidelines are for comments and post. If I don't comment nor post it's not my job to care about that. If it drains all the curiosity off the site (which I doubt), then I migrate. I'll make sire not to male the park dirty and maybe pick up a litter or two. But I'm not a ranger.
  - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
    Okay so you didn’t really argue against it being on-topic, just that it bothers you / puts you in a bad mood. IMO it sounds like you’d be better off reading Linux mailing lists and open source READMEs if you want to avoid politics. Just so happens that right now politics is uncomfortable, but it wasn’t 10 years ago when the interest rate was effectively 0% and the US gov and SV had still some semblance of separation.
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    Then maybe go to a subreddit on embroidery instead? The world is going to pieces and you are worried about your breakfast?
  - comfysocks 9mo ago
    To be fair, “guidelines” and “rules” are two different things. There’s no strict prohibition on politics in the guidelines. If you read the whole thing in context, it’s trying to discourage topics that are mundane, frivolous, or vacuous — not to prohibit all politics. “MOST stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.” Emphasis mine
johnnyanmac 9mo ago
Despite the name, this isn't a community for only "hacker" articles. It's overall to promote curiosity and engage those curiosities. There is no hard "no politics" policy here. The spirit of the rule is to not turn this into a 24 hour real time report of the state of the world. But this article isnt that. If you don't find any of the last years of happening this year curious at the bare minimum, I wonder how deeply aware someone really is of it. >If you are not American, it’s rather tiring to have every website and news outlet talk about it ad nauseum I'm sure greenland sees it as tiring too. But of there wasn't such a huge pushback, "tiring" would be the least of their concerns. Why can't we then have a deeper discussion after that to analyze how it came to this (and how to prevent it)? We sure can't have that discussion on Twitter. Also, I'm pretty fundamentalist when it comes to posting on social media: if I don't like it, I don't click in. If I clicked into every AI buzzword post, I'd go insane. But others want it, who am I To judge? Certainly not a moderator. If you want me to moderate, we can discuss pay.

by nicbou 9mo ago

senordevnyc 9mo ago

Then go ignore it on your country’s version of HN.

datsci_est_2015 9mo ago

You will be affected by the (hypothetical) fall of American hegemony, whether it’s increased aggression in spheres of influence (Russia, China, India), market failures, or even a fracturing or collapse of digital services (Azure, AWS). I don’t understand the insistence that this isn’t on topic. Hard not to paint it as anything but willfully ignorant.

nicbou 9mo ago
I'm not ignorant. I just don't want it in my morning cereal when it's also everywhere else. Awareness of your country's politics definitely isn't the issue here. I am keenly aware of the US presidents' threats to invade my country. The issue is the insistence that it has to be discussed in every community, all the time, and that the importance transcends categorisation. Every website just becomes another dumping ground for US politics, and when you bring that up, Americans get indignant. It's Hacker News. I am here for news for hackers. The guidelines are pretty explicit: "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic".
- krapp 9mo ago
  I'm looking at the front page right now and it's entirely "news for hackers." You had to go out of your way to find this thread and make multiple comments complaining about it. Just ignore the thread, or hide it and move on.
  - nicbou 9mo ago
    Yes, because the flagging system works. I'm advocating for things staying that way
    - krapp 9mo ago
      One can see flagged stories and the vast majority including the flagged aren't political in nature. Yet people like yourself single out the minority that are, regardless of how civil the discussion is, and flag them anyway. So the visibility of these stories isn't the issue, and the quality of discussion isn't the issue, since neither matter. I wonder what is it that people actually object to?
- ryandrake 9mo ago
  The web site already has a tool for this: The "hide" button. If you don't want to see an article, just click it and go on eating your cereal.
  - DeusExMachina 9mo ago
    That can be said about any post that goes against the guidelines. At that point, why even have guidelines in the first place?
    - nicbou 9mo ago
      If you don't like my constant screaming, just get ear plugs
      - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
        Yes, the internet is a loud place. Adding to the noise never helps. People who really care about this should male a quieter space for themselves, or start really pushing on mods and admins. Arguing among the rabble is the slowest method to achieve change.
      - comfysocks 9mo ago
        If someone screams at you, they are actively invading your space. On the other hand, if you actively click on an article, read it, and make multiple posts on it, well that’s on you.
    - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
      Guidelines are for comments and post. If I don't comment nor post it's not my job to care about that. If it drains all the curiosity off the site (which I doubt), then I migrate. I'll make sire not to male the park dirty and maybe pick up a litter or two. But I'm not a ranger.
- datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
  Okay so you didn’t really argue against it being on-topic, just that it bothers you / puts you in a bad mood. IMO it sounds like you’d be better off reading Linux mailing lists and open source READMEs if you want to avoid politics. Just so happens that right now politics is uncomfortable, but it wasn’t 10 years ago when the interest rate was effectively 0% and the US gov and SV had still some semblance of separation.
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  Then maybe go to a subreddit on embroidery instead? The world is going to pieces and you are worried about your breakfast?
- comfysocks 9mo ago
  To be fair, “guidelines” and “rules” are two different things. There’s no strict prohibition on politics in the guidelines. If you read the whole thing in context, it’s trying to discourage topics that are mundane, frivolous, or vacuous — not to prohibit all politics. “MOST stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.” Emphasis mine

johnnyanmac 9mo ago

Despite the name, this isn't a community for only "hacker" articles. It's overall to promote curiosity and engage those curiosities. There is no hard "no politics" policy here. The spirit of the rule is to not turn this into a 24 hour real time report of the state of the world. But this article isnt that. If you don't find any of the last years of happening this year curious at the bare minimum, I wonder how deeply aware someone really is of it. >If you are not American, it’s rather tiring to have every website and news outlet talk about it ad nauseum I'm sure greenland sees it as tiring too. But of there wasn't such a huge pushback, "tiring" would be the least of their concerns. Why can't we then have a deeper discussion after that to analyze how it came to this (and how to prevent it)? We sure can't have that discussion on Twitter. Also, I'm pretty fundamentalist when it comes to posting on social media: if I don't like it, I don't click in. If I clicked into every AI buzzword post, I'd go insane. But others want it, who am I To judge? Certainly not a moderator. If you want me to moderate, we can discuss pay.