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The source (Iran International) is backed by Saudi money and has a bias to dunk on Iran. That said, I'm sure the death count numbers from the Rasht Massacre ar

The source (Iran International) is backed by Saudi money and has a bias to dunk on Iran. That said, I'm sure the death count numbers from the Rasht Massacre are staggeringly higher than the initial tallies of 2-5k.

xyzzy123 9mo ago
It looks a LOT like a CIA front. EDIT: Sorry... that is too strong... "state aligned influence media". Note that the headline might be true, or it might not, but that source is quite glowy.
k1m 9mo ago
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- redwood 9mo ago
  Mehdi Hasssan worked for Al Jazeera which is funded by Qatar and is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood with a very specific political agenda. You'll notice they barely are covering the Iran News
  - k1m 9mo ago
    He also worked for MSNBC.
  - EngineerUSA 9mo ago
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    - redwood 9mo ago
      That's like saying that Hamas and the IRGC aren't affiliates because they're from different religious sects. What binds them is an interest in political religion and a shared antipathy to the west.
    - redwood 9mo ago
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      - bigyabai 9mo ago
        You don't have to write multiple comments to respond to one post. Just the one should suffice.
        redwood 9mo ago
        Thanks for pointing that out. Duly noted
        EngineerUSA 9mo ago
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- mupuff1234 9mo ago
  Just as interesting that Mehdi who never spent a second questioning the reports from Gaza is questioning the reports from Iran.
  - k1m 9mo ago
    His point is that those Gaza numbers had much more backing than these numbers. Yet they were questioned endlessly.
    - mupuff1234 9mo ago
      His point is obviously to try and downplay what is happening in Iran, otherwise he could have just actually be a journalist and figure out what is happening in Iran to prove or disprove the reports. There is zero journalistic integrity to be found in his post.
- TacticalCoder 9mo ago
  > Interesting that the same western media outlets which spent two years nonstop questioning and disputing and refusing to accept Palestinian death tolls out of Gaza, even when they were backed by human rights groups and monitors like Airwars and studies in The Lancet, are totally fine uncritically accepting totally unsourced and huge, huge numbers out of Iran. Note that this works both ways: "Interesting that the same western media outlets which spent two years nonstop covering Gaza are totally fine not even having a single article about the massacre committed by the islamist iranian regime. And, no, before the trolls descend, of course I'm not questioning that lots of innocent people have been killed in Gaza.". And "Interesting that the same protesters who spent months protesting on US and EU campuses for Gaza are not protesting to defend the protesters massacred en masse by the iranian regime. And, no, before the trolls descend, of course I'm not questioning that lots of innocent people have been killed in Gaza". We don't know if the numbers are true but we're literally talking about half the death in two years in Gaza in a few days in Iran. I don't know if people realize the level of horrors we're talking about here.
  - k1m 9mo ago
    The crucial difference is that the US is in no way supporting Iran but was and is heavily supporting Israel. So a protest in the US to stop that support is wortwhile. A protest to stop non-existent support is pointless.
    - bawolff 9mo ago
      You can still protest to signal support for usa to keep its hardline stance on Iran or to increase measures. You can also protest to make sure the horrors aren't forgotten and to signal to those suffering in Iran that they aren't alone.
      - k1m 9mo ago
        Sure, but you can understand why US citizens and European citizens don't feel the same urge to go out and protest something that their taxes don't directly contribute to. > You can still protest to signal support for usa to keep its hardline stance on Iran or to increase measures. If you care about the wellbeing of Iranian people, you have to acknowledge that a "hardline stance" of sanctions also contributes to their suffering. I'm not sure why you'd expect to see people out on the streets asking for more of that. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1... > You can also protest to make sure the horrors aren't forgotten and to signal to those suffering in Iran that they aren't alone. True, but as a citizen you have much less moral responsibility to protest that than a situation your government and taxes are supporting. Which probably explains why you don't see as many people out on the streets about that. I'd say it's also tricky in such situations to protest and not have your protest co-opted to justify aggression. Chomsky made this point on Iran: "Suppose I criticise Iran. What impact does that have? The only impact it has is in fortifying those who want to carry out policies I don’t agree with, like bombing." https://www.ft.com/content/afc74988-8c96-11e2-aed2-00144feabdc0 https://www.ft.com/content/afc74988-8c96-11e2-aed2-00144feab...
- Braxton1980 9mo ago
  "Western media" is not an organization it's a description of a group. Trust should be connected to organizations or businesses. This is such a dangerous manipulation technique that uses the output of one media source like Fox News as an attack on the reputation of all. CNN and the BBC have reported on Israel's offensive and the massive suffering and death multiple times. "Study disputes Gaza genocide charges, finds flawed data amid Hamas-driven narrative" https://www.foxnews.com/world/study-disputes-gaza-genocide-charges-finds-flawed-data-amid-hamas-driven-narrative https://www.foxnews.com/world/study-disputes-gaza-genocide-c... #-------------- "Gaza death toll has been significantly underreported, study finds" https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-underreported-study-intl https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-un... "More than 70,000 killed in Gaza since Israel offensive began, Hamas-run health ministry says" https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8e97kl240lo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8e97kl240lo
- karim79 9mo ago
  Mehdi is a great journalist and speaker. He doesn't jump the gun. One of my favourite debates from him is on Intelligence Squared, on the conflation between anti-zionism and anti-semitism, from 2019: https://youtu.be/K1VTt_THL4A?si=BRgS6kbEMvLvrjyW https://youtu.be/K1VTt_THL4A?si=BRgS6kbEMvLvrjyW
sourcegrift 9mo ago
Actually, if anything, that makes it trustworthy because Saudi would like the regime to stay so that they can stay out of the oil markets and keep the prices high.
- dyauspitr 9mo ago
  It’s Shia Sunni, it transgresses economics.
  - drecked 9mo ago
    Not really. Saudi Arabia and Iran struck a China brokered deal several years ago and have been meeting regularly since. In fact, they recently met and put out a statement condemning Israel’s attacks on Iran.
  - dartharva 9mo ago
    Nothing ever transgresses economics.
redwood 9mo ago
It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora.. the fact that so many people just discount their point of view it's pretty frustrating. If you speak to Iranians that you work with it's pretty illuminating
- bigyabai 9mo ago
  > It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora Including the Mossad, which is kinda an important footnote you might not want to omit: https://xcancel.com/BarakRavid/status/1560685368780939265/ https://xcancel.com/BarakRavid/status/1560685368780939265/
  - ch4s3 9mo ago
    According to a twitter comment by a reporter who didn’t back the claim with any evidence.
    - bigyabai 9mo ago
      With respects to Mordechai Vanunu, I can understand why he didn't try leaking documents.
      - ch4s3 9mo ago
        If Ravid isn't even willing to say that someone told him on background, it sounds like bullshit or speculation. Guys like Ravid are intentionally or no part of the myth making around Mossad where they are simultaneously everywhere int he Middle East and nowhere at once.
        chipsrafferty 9mo ago
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        trimethylpurine 9mo ago
alexmonami 9mo ago
There are other sources, like this: https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/ https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-...
- readitalready 9mo ago
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- vogre 9mo ago
  Which also refer to unnamed sources and "U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency"(read CIA)
  - squidbeak 9mo ago
    Why lie about this when the first paragraph is explicit about its source? > As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME
    - vogre 9mo ago
      >two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health And their names are never called.
      - johanyc 9mo ago
        It's pretty common practice if naming them will get the people who shared the info in trouble. Depends on whether you think Time is a trustworthy source I guess
        vogre 9mo ago
        Time always was a propaganda leaflet. Remember "bomb serbs to heel" or "sinister world of saddam"
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bawolff 9mo ago
If you want a more neutal organization https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/ https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-...
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xyzzy123 9mo ago

It looks a LOT like a CIA front. EDIT: Sorry... that is too strong... "state aligned influence media". Note that the headline might be true, or it might not, but that source is quite glowy.

k1m 9mo ago

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redwood 9mo ago
Mehdi Hasssan worked for Al Jazeera which is funded by Qatar and is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood with a very specific political agenda. You'll notice they barely are covering the Iran News
- k1m 9mo ago
  He also worked for MSNBC.
- EngineerUSA 9mo ago
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  - redwood 9mo ago
    That's like saying that Hamas and the IRGC aren't affiliates because they're from different religious sects. What binds them is an interest in political religion and a shared antipathy to the west.
  - redwood 9mo ago
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    - bigyabai 9mo ago
      You don't have to write multiple comments to respond to one post. Just the one should suffice.
      - redwood 9mo ago
        Thanks for pointing that out. Duly noted
        EngineerUSA 9mo ago
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mupuff1234 9mo ago
Just as interesting that Mehdi who never spent a second questioning the reports from Gaza is questioning the reports from Iran.
- k1m 9mo ago
  His point is that those Gaza numbers had much more backing than these numbers. Yet they were questioned endlessly.
  - mupuff1234 9mo ago
    His point is obviously to try and downplay what is happening in Iran, otherwise he could have just actually be a journalist and figure out what is happening in Iran to prove or disprove the reports. There is zero journalistic integrity to be found in his post.
TacticalCoder 9mo ago
> Interesting that the same western media outlets which spent two years nonstop questioning and disputing and refusing to accept Palestinian death tolls out of Gaza, even when they were backed by human rights groups and monitors like Airwars and studies in The Lancet, are totally fine uncritically accepting totally unsourced and huge, huge numbers out of Iran. Note that this works both ways: "Interesting that the same western media outlets which spent two years nonstop covering Gaza are totally fine not even having a single article about the massacre committed by the islamist iranian regime. And, no, before the trolls descend, of course I'm not questioning that lots of innocent people have been killed in Gaza.". And "Interesting that the same protesters who spent months protesting on US and EU campuses for Gaza are not protesting to defend the protesters massacred en masse by the iranian regime. And, no, before the trolls descend, of course I'm not questioning that lots of innocent people have been killed in Gaza". We don't know if the numbers are true but we're literally talking about half the death in two years in Gaza in a few days in Iran. I don't know if people realize the level of horrors we're talking about here.
- k1m 9mo ago
  The crucial difference is that the US is in no way supporting Iran but was and is heavily supporting Israel. So a protest in the US to stop that support is wortwhile. A protest to stop non-existent support is pointless.
  - bawolff 9mo ago
    You can still protest to signal support for usa to keep its hardline stance on Iran or to increase measures. You can also protest to make sure the horrors aren't forgotten and to signal to those suffering in Iran that they aren't alone.
    - k1m 9mo ago
      Sure, but you can understand why US citizens and European citizens don't feel the same urge to go out and protest something that their taxes don't directly contribute to. > You can still protest to signal support for usa to keep its hardline stance on Iran or to increase measures. If you care about the wellbeing of Iranian people, you have to acknowledge that a "hardline stance" of sanctions also contributes to their suffering. I'm not sure why you'd expect to see people out on the streets asking for more of that. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1... > You can also protest to make sure the horrors aren't forgotten and to signal to those suffering in Iran that they aren't alone. True, but as a citizen you have much less moral responsibility to protest that than a situation your government and taxes are supporting. Which probably explains why you don't see as many people out on the streets about that. I'd say it's also tricky in such situations to protest and not have your protest co-opted to justify aggression. Chomsky made this point on Iran: "Suppose I criticise Iran. What impact does that have? The only impact it has is in fortifying those who want to carry out policies I don’t agree with, like bombing." https://www.ft.com/content/afc74988-8c96-11e2-aed2-00144feabdc0 https://www.ft.com/content/afc74988-8c96-11e2-aed2-00144feab...
Braxton1980 9mo ago
"Western media" is not an organization it's a description of a group. Trust should be connected to organizations or businesses. This is such a dangerous manipulation technique that uses the output of one media source like Fox News as an attack on the reputation of all. CNN and the BBC have reported on Israel's offensive and the massive suffering and death multiple times. "Study disputes Gaza genocide charges, finds flawed data amid Hamas-driven narrative" https://www.foxnews.com/world/study-disputes-gaza-genocide-charges-finds-flawed-data-amid-hamas-driven-narrative https://www.foxnews.com/world/study-disputes-gaza-genocide-c... #-------------- "Gaza death toll has been significantly underreported, study finds" https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-underreported-study-intl https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-un... "More than 70,000 killed in Gaza since Israel offensive began, Hamas-run health ministry says" https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8e97kl240lo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8e97kl240lo
karim79 9mo ago
Mehdi is a great journalist and speaker. He doesn't jump the gun. One of my favourite debates from him is on Intelligence Squared, on the conflation between anti-zionism and anti-semitism, from 2019: https://youtu.be/K1VTt_THL4A?si=BRgS6kbEMvLvrjyW https://youtu.be/K1VTt_THL4A?si=BRgS6kbEMvLvrjyW

sourcegrift 9mo ago

Actually, if anything, that makes it trustworthy because Saudi would like the regime to stay so that they can stay out of the oil markets and keep the prices high.

dyauspitr 9mo ago
It’s Shia Sunni, it transgresses economics.
- drecked 9mo ago
  Not really. Saudi Arabia and Iran struck a China brokered deal several years ago and have been meeting regularly since. In fact, they recently met and put out a statement condemning Israel’s attacks on Iran.
- dartharva 9mo ago
  Nothing ever transgresses economics.

redwood 9mo ago

It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora.. the fact that so many people just discount their point of view it's pretty frustrating. If you speak to Iranians that you work with it's pretty illuminating

bigyabai 9mo ago
> It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora Including the Mossad, which is kinda an important footnote you might not want to omit: https://xcancel.com/BarakRavid/status/1560685368780939265/ https://xcancel.com/BarakRavid/status/1560685368780939265/
- ch4s3 9mo ago
  According to a twitter comment by a reporter who didn’t back the claim with any evidence.
  - bigyabai 9mo ago
    With respects to Mordechai Vanunu, I can understand why he didn't try leaking documents.
    - ch4s3 9mo ago
      If Ravid isn't even willing to say that someone told him on background, it sounds like bullshit or speculation. Guys like Ravid are intentionally or no part of the myth making around Mossad where they are simultaneously everywhere int he Middle East and nowhere at once.
      - chipsrafferty 9mo ago
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        trimethylpurine 9mo ago

alexmonami 9mo ago

There are other sources, like this: https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/ https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-...

readitalready 9mo ago
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vogre 9mo ago
Which also refer to unnamed sources and "U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency"(read CIA)
- squidbeak 9mo ago
  Why lie about this when the first paragraph is explicit about its source? > As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME
  - vogre 9mo ago
    >two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health And their names are never called.
    - johanyc 9mo ago
      It's pretty common practice if naming them will get the people who shared the info in trouble. Depends on whether you think Time is a trustworthy source I guess
      - vogre 9mo ago
        Time always was a propaganda leaflet. Remember "bomb serbs to heel" or "sinister world of saddam"
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bawolff 9mo ago

If you want a more neutal organization https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/ https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-...

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