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What about SEAMS, mentioned here? https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airspace_restrictions/sports_stadiums https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_

by squigz 9mo ago

What about SEAMS, mentioned here? https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airspace_restrictions/sports_stadiums https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airs...

dmitrygr 9mo ago
iirc, it is not considered official data, so if it makes a mistake and you violate a TFR, YOU are on the hook.
- squigz 9mo ago
  Reading up on this more, it seems to be based on stadium/venue capacity, which means any possible TFRs are at a limited number of areas for very specific series, for which there is data available [1] The TFR in TFA appears to be much more ambiguous than this. I'm not sure they're really comparable. https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/about https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/...
  - dmitrygr 9mo ago
    Ha! Which specific series? Why do i need to know when sportsball happens, any variety of it? Oh, and concerts too. Why do i need to know when taylor swift is in town? Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire.
    - squigz 9mo ago
      > SPECIFIED BELOW WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS: 3 NMR OF A QUALIFYING STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HOSTING A QUALIFYING EVENT UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL. QUALIFYING LOCATIONS AND EVENTS ARE DEFINED AS ANY STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE WHERE: A. A REGULAR OR POST SEASON MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, OR NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL GAME IS OCCURRING; OR B. A NASCAR CUP, INDY CAR, OR CHAMP SERIES RACE IS OCCURRING, EXCLUDING QUALIFYING AND PRE-RACE EVENTS. https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367 https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367 I don't disagree with you that there should be no onus on pilots to have to hunt for this information (which is why I would guess that SEAMS is maintained, but not sure) - my point only is that this isn't really comparable to the TFR mentioned in TFA. All the Stadium TFRs are static; the "national defence" TFRs are not. > Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire. Isn't ATC going to yell at you before you enter such a TFR?
      - dmitrygr 9mo ago
        In USA, you are not required to talk to ATC as long as you are outside of controlled airspace. Stupid not to, but 100% legal.

by squigz 9mo ago

What about SEAMS, mentioned here? https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airspace_restrictions/sports_stadiums https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airs...

dmitrygr 9mo ago

iirc, it is not considered official data, so if it makes a mistake and you violate a TFR, YOU are on the hook.

squigz 9mo ago
Reading up on this more, it seems to be based on stadium/venue capacity, which means any possible TFRs are at a limited number of areas for very specific series, for which there is data available [1] The TFR in TFA appears to be much more ambiguous than this. I'm not sure they're really comparable. https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/about https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/...
- dmitrygr 9mo ago
  Ha! Which specific series? Why do i need to know when sportsball happens, any variety of it? Oh, and concerts too. Why do i need to know when taylor swift is in town? Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire.
  - squigz 9mo ago
    > SPECIFIED BELOW WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS: 3 NMR OF A QUALIFYING STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HOSTING A QUALIFYING EVENT UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL. QUALIFYING LOCATIONS AND EVENTS ARE DEFINED AS ANY STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE WHERE: A. A REGULAR OR POST SEASON MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, OR NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL GAME IS OCCURRING; OR B. A NASCAR CUP, INDY CAR, OR CHAMP SERIES RACE IS OCCURRING, EXCLUDING QUALIFYING AND PRE-RACE EVENTS. https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367 https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367 I don't disagree with you that there should be no onus on pilots to have to hunt for this information (which is why I would guess that SEAMS is maintained, but not sure) - my point only is that this isn't really comparable to the TFR mentioned in TFA. All the Stadium TFRs are static; the "national defence" TFRs are not. > Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire. Isn't ATC going to yell at you before you enter such a TFR?
    - dmitrygr 9mo ago
      In USA, you are not required to talk to ATC as long as you are outside of controlled airspace. Stupid not to, but 100% legal.