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Aren't NOTAMs published for those with specific information about the TFR, including location and time window?

by squigz 9mo ago

dmitrygr 9mo ago
NO. They just say “any event”
- squigz 9mo ago
  What about SEAMS, mentioned here? https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airspace_restrictions/sports_stadiums https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airs...
  - dmitrygr 9mo ago
    iirc, it is not considered official data, so if it makes a mistake and you violate a TFR, YOU are on the hook.
    - squigz 9mo ago
      Reading up on this more, it seems to be based on stadium/venue capacity, which means any possible TFRs are at a limited number of areas for very specific series, for which there is data available [1] The TFR in TFA appears to be much more ambiguous than this. I'm not sure they're really comparable. https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/about https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/...
      - dmitrygr 9mo ago
        Ha! Which specific series? Why do i need to know when sportsball happens, any variety of it? Oh, and concerts too. Why do i need to know when taylor swift is in town? Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire.
        squigz 9mo ago
        > SPECIFIED BELOW WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS: 3 NMR OF A QUALIFYING STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HOSTING A QUALIFYING EVENT UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL. QUALIFYING LOCATIONS AND EVENTS ARE DEFINED AS ANY STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE WHERE: A. A REGULAR OR POST SEASON MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, OR NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL GAME IS OCCURRING; OR B. A NASCAR CUP, INDY CAR, OR CHAMP SERIES RACE IS OCCURRING, EXCLUDING QUALIFYING AND PRE-RACE EVENTS. https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367 https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367 I don't disagree with you that there should be no onus on pilots to have to hunt for this information (which is why I would guess that SEAMS is maintained, but not sure) - my point only is that this isn't really comparable to the TFR mentioned in TFA. All the Stadium TFRs are static; the "national defence" TFRs are not. > Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire. Isn't ATC going to yell at you before you enter such a TFR?
        dmitrygr 9mo ago
        In USA, you are not required to talk to ATC as long as you are outside of controlled airspace. Stupid not to, but 100% legal.

Aren't NOTAMs published for those with specific information about the TFR, including location and time window?

by squigz 9mo ago

Aren't NOTAMs published for those with specific information about the TFR, including location and time window?

dmitrygr 9mo ago

NO. They just say “any event”

squigz 9mo ago
What about SEAMS, mentioned here? https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airspace_restrictions/sports_stadiums https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airs...
- dmitrygr 9mo ago
  iirc, it is not considered official data, so if it makes a mistake and you violate a TFR, YOU are on the hook.
  - squigz 9mo ago
    Reading up on this more, it seems to be based on stadium/venue capacity, which means any possible TFRs are at a limited number of areas for very specific series, for which there is data available [1] The TFR in TFA appears to be much more ambiguous than this. I'm not sure they're really comparable. https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/about https://adds-faa.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/faa::stadiums/...
    - dmitrygr 9mo ago
      Ha! Which specific series? Why do i need to know when sportsball happens, any variety of it? Oh, and concerts too. Why do i need to know when taylor swift is in town? Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire.
      - squigz 9mo ago
        > SPECIFIED BELOW WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS: 3 NMR OF A QUALIFYING STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HOSTING A QUALIFYING EVENT UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL. QUALIFYING LOCATIONS AND EVENTS ARE DEFINED AS ANY STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE WHERE: A. A REGULAR OR POST SEASON MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, OR NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL GAME IS OCCURRING; OR B. A NASCAR CUP, INDY CAR, OR CHAMP SERIES RACE IS OCCURRING, EXCLUDING QUALIFYING AND PRE-RACE EVENTS. https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367 https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr3/?page=detail_0_0367 I don't disagree with you that there should be no onus on pilots to have to hunt for this information (which is why I would guess that SEAMS is maintained, but not sure) - my point only is that this isn't really comparable to the TFR mentioned in TFA. All the Stadium TFRs are static; the "national defence" TFRs are not. > Nope, it is not nearly that simple, and consequences can be dire. Isn't ATC going to yell at you before you enter such a TFR?
        dmitrygr 9mo ago
        In USA, you are not required to talk to ATC as long as you are outside of controlled airspace. Stupid not to, but 100% legal.