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I don’t understand how there aren’t demonstrations happening almost everywhere in the US by now.
by wslh 9mo ago
I don’t understand how there aren’t demonstrations happening almost everywhere in the US by now.
- cookszn 9mo agoYea let me go protest the government on behalf of foreigners illegally crossing the border!
- quercus 9mo agoBecause most people are happy to see immigration laws enforced.
- mingus88 9mo agoThen why isn’t ICE in the states with the most immigrants?
- cookszn 9mo agoImmigrants? or illegal immigrants? There’s a huge distinction between an immigrant coming with a visa/green card with a set job and education (net positive to the country)
- mickle00 9mo agologic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots
- mingus88 9mo agoAgreed. If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations, where they would have full cooperation from the local government and citizens who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Those supporters who care about enforcing immigration laws would directly benefit. This is obviously violence directed at Minnesota, who is led by a political opponent. It’s capital F Fascism and everyone on the right has grandfathers that are ashamed of them.
- quercus 9mo agoWho can resist a little schadenfreude.
- mrtesthah 9mo agoLOL that lesbian bitch who got shot had it coming. amirite? We know what it is you really want.
- cogman10 9mo ago> everyone on the right has grandfathers that are ashamed of them. There's plenty of German heritage in the US. There was a decent number of grandparents who thought the US was on the wrong side of WW2.
- zahlman 9mo ago> If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations They did; see my other reply.
- mingus88 9mo agoHow about business owners who are hiring the illegal immigrants? When aren’t they going after the supply?
- zahlman 9mo ago1. They do that too; see e.g. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5411184-ice-crackdown-unauthorized-workers/ https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5411184-ice-crac... . 2. Are they really "the supply"? There are so many illegal immigrants in the US now (so many that they have to prioritize the ones who have committed violent crimes, hence the "worst of the worst" propaganda) that it seems entirely reasonable to imagine they could start their own illicit businesses and employ each other. 3. Even habitually hiring illegal aliens doesn't appear to be a felony (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a section (f)), so immigration officers such as ICE agents require a warrant to make an arrest for that specific case (unless they witness the crime per https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 section (5)(a), and I'm not even sure what that means for the case of unlawfully employing someone). 4. Yes, of course realpolitik also plays a role. Clearly these businesses aren't part of some conspiracy to overrun the country with illegal immigrants, so it wouldn't make sense to get the owners on Trump's bad side. These businesses would hire citizens if they were willing to work for the same pay and under the same conditions, and generally it's been the Republicans opposing things like minimum wage increases.
- throw0101c 9mo ago> logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots Let's not forgot and/or (3) going after Minnesota voter roles (per this letter from Pam Bondi): * https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/pam-bondi-walz-doc.html https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/... * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bondi-minnesota-voter-rolls-welfare-data-walz-immigration-shootings/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bondi-minnesota-voter-rolls-wel...
- mickle00 9mo agoI see that as a subset of 1 (power & control thru fear), but yeah, clearly, and obviously not the 'stated' reasons
- zahlman 9mo agoThey are. (see e.g. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-ar...) And they have been, the whole time. ICE has arrested and deported far more people from Texas than Minnesota (e.g. https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-immigration-crackdown-data-ice-trump-arrests/ https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-immigration-crac...; https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigration-2107629 https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigra...; https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/immigration/2025/12/22/539358/texas-district-attorneys-deportation-witnesses-criminal-cases-immigrants/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/im...; many other sources can easily be found). You don't hear about it so much (unless you go looking) because Texas isn't a sanctuary state. Texas law enforcement supports and assists ICE, and Texas government officials don't encourage protests (and would tell protesters, if asked, not to obstruct and not to resist arrest). So there is no major conflict, minimal protest, and essentially no news coverage. Minnesota government officials, on the other hand, seem to be interpreting 10A well beyond any precedent I ever heard of, and don't seem particularly interested in the consequences of the Supremacy Clause. In fact they have repeatedly falsely claimed that ICE are "not real law enforcement".
- mingus88 9mo agoOh, good to know. Executing law abiding citizens in cold blood is fair game then.
- mickle00 9mo agosource? The mainstream media is not covering the many daily protests I see in my area, and hear and see from friends and family elsewhere. However, I do think the majority of Americans do not have the luxury (or fear of losing their job, and thus their healthcare, etc) to just walk out on their jobs or responsibilities, and the social safety nets here are limited (and being further cut by this administration). I do think a general strike is the last chance at a non-violent resistance, but the oligarchs and powerful can weather that storm much more easily than the average American.
- quercus 9mo agoThey literally voted for it.
- array_key_first 9mo agoThey voted for something else, they were conned by populist messaging.
- fhdkweig 9mo agoI didn't bother to vote in 2016 because I wasn't paying attention. I was used to politics being about two nearly identical groups who both wanted what was best for America. By 2020 and 2024, everyone should have known who this guy was. He thrived on media attention. Even during the 4 years of Biden, every news article was about him. Everyone knew what he wanted to do, and they voted for what they wanted.
- quercus 9mo agoImmigration was a pretty big topic during the election. People knew what they were voting for. I find it sad that you find it hard to believe people have civic pride they want to defend.
- array_key_first 9mo agoConsidering citizens have been executed by the state, I would say people did not know what they were voting for. Unless, of course, you're insinuating they do actually want that. In which case, your outlook of Trump voters is significantly lower than mine. Call me generous. Now, of course, a lot of people saw this coming and have been warning about growing authoritarianism from Trump and his administration. But his administration is also built almost entirely on lies, so I can't be too critical of people who are confused.
- scoofy 9mo agoYou can be pro-immigration enforcement, while also anti whatever-the-fuck-this-is. It's called being pro-rule of law. You're not allowed to just shoot people in the back that are very obviously not a threat, even if their idiotic lack of proper training makes them feel like they're in danger. It's literally South Parkian "they're coming right for us!!!" -- BANG -- as justification for lethal force of an unarmed person in custody.
- mocheeze 9mo agoThere are though. Regularly.
- gizmov21 9mo agoSeriously lol. MN had HUGE protests the last few days, as did LA when the DHS was there (and why they probably went to somewhere less hostile like MN and soon Maine).
- wslh 9mo agoCould you point please to several of them? I am aware of the Minnesota ones but there are 50 states in the US.
- le-mark 9mo agoItis horrendous by any measure. But Fox and conservative media amplify and support it all. Trump voters by and large love the deportations; I know this from my in laws over the holidays. If a few eggs get broken they really don’t care. Notice red states have none of this because Trump focuses ICE on blue states. Protests are what Trump wants. He would like nothing better than marshal law and cancelling the mid terms. He has said so many times.
- wslh 9mo agoI also wonder how politically weak the US could be if its rivals and adversaries see this level of internal violence as an opportunity to step up pressure or exploit divisions at home.
- fhdkweig 9mo agoI'm of the opinion that the Russians, through paid online trolling, are responsible for starting this 10 years ago. They helped stoke the fears that got Trump elected the first time.
- thunky 9mo agoDon't forget to give CNN the credit it deserves.
- krapp 9mo agoThe fears that got Trump elected the first time have been a part of American culture since the civil war, if not the founding of the nation itself. You can find echoes of him all the way back to the John Birch Society. This is an entirely American problem.
- RealityVoid 9mo agoYou think they don't already do this? Social media is astroturfed to hell, even HN is being manipulated. Look how political submissions get flagged. I honestly think the current internet is irredeemable for real conversations about this.
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- bean469 9mo agoBecause most people don't care enough to protest
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