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How I made Stripe as easy to use as Paypal in 5 days

153 points by drewwilson 14y ago

https://spacebox.io

sachinag 14y ago
I believe the recently announced Wufoo integration does this as well, but it appears this flow is more elegant.
- drewwilson 14y ago
  Ya, wufoo does it too. But my app is free :) and in the near future will have useful analytics and CSS customization, etc for pro users.
  - sachinag 14y ago
    Yeah, I like yours better for sure. But please don't compete on price! Charge for the useful analytics and CSS customization. louisck's web developer should use your product for his next $5 video and you deserve to get paid for that.
    - twelvechairs 14y ago
      > please don't compete on price It strikes me as very sad that in bringing down a monopoly (Paypal), already you are advocating price collusion amongst the new players in the industry...
      - tghw 14y ago
        As opposed to racing to the bottom?
        twelvechairs 14y ago
        Yes. Its called a competitive market - I don't know how you can seriously argue against such a thing in the modern world, where all of us rely on it (price competition) for basically everything we buy. Though (perhaps thankfully, given the response to my post) the relatively simple nature of this means that its (if not now then soon) going to be a price-competitive industry anyway.
      - clarky07 14y ago
        I think the real point he's making is that it shouldn't be free. Stop giving away your work for free. This is what made the iOS market so hard to make money in. What, you spent 4 months working on that app? Dammit 1.99 is just too much to pay for that. Oh it's free? What the heck are these ads doing here. I hate your ads. Go F* yourself. Seriously. I got a support email today that told me to "Fuck off" because of the ads in one of my free apps. The race to the bottom isn't a good thing for anyone.
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drewwilson 14y ago
You can visit the app directly here: https://spacebox.io https://spacebox.io
dsl 14y ago
You forgot a few critical steps for a full PayPal replacement. Might I recommend: * Set up a Twilio number for billing support. Play hold music even if your office is closed. * Proxy transactions to Stripe using a intermediary server in India to match the latency and reliability. * Randomly multiply totals by 10. * Randomly forget to call the Stripe API. * Setup auto renewals. Even for one time payments. * If a customer has more than 20% in receipts than the previous day, freeze all funds for 190 days.
- jrockway 14y ago
  Also require the user to enter his One Time Password to unsubscribe from marketing emails.
  - dmix 14y ago
    Also arbitrarily decline companies the ability to be merchants because their customer service rep in Nebraska doesn't know what "SaaS" means.
  - AgentConundrum 14y ago
    Isn't that illegal?
    - bwilliams18 14y ago
      They want to confirm your identity.
      - AgentConundrum 14y ago
        I get that, but I thought that CAN-SPAM required one-click unsubscribes.
        jrockway 14y ago
        I'm pretty sure you're right. Laws are like traffic lights: nothing is actually physically preventing you from driving through red lights, it's just that you might get in trouble if you do it. "Might" being the operative word. (And there are a lot more traffic cops than spam cops.)
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ta12121 14y ago
Paypal? Or a toy example kind of like Paypal?
- Sam_Odio 14y ago
  You're pointing out the obvious (that this is a 5-day one person project) in a way that's not constructive.
  - evv 14y ago
    I am not defending a valueless response like that, but it is a bit crazy to imply that one person could build something the size of PayPal in five days.
  - ta12121 14y ago
    The title is stupid, and titles matter. PayPal is PayPal not because you can send money based on email addresses but because it was the company that figured out how to do it in a way and at a time that won the market. Making a PayPal like website has little to do with why people know the name PayPal, or the company's significance. It's like setting up a toy online book store and saying "How I created Amazon in five days". It's meaningless and stupid. And sometimes things are so stupid they're not worth being "constructive" about.
rkalla 14y ago
Best of luck with this Drew. Looks like a great simple approach for folks jus wanting to "collect some damn money" - a lot of payment platforms require a much higher bar be cleared to get started, that is what it looks like you ace here (especially with the form builder - brilliant) Your offering will naturally grow an expand as Stripe does so - smart move.
makmanalp 14y ago
Isn't this a prime candidate to be out-competed by stripe?
- tdrd 14y ago
  Why does stripe need to out-compete this? They still get their cut.
  - makmanalp 14y ago
    Yeah but they can just implement this in a week or two, whenever convenient, and get all of the money.
arkonaut 14y ago
Really well done! Love where the payments space is going.
rexreed 14y ago
I clicked the article title in dread fearing someone had turned Stripe the company into a mirror image of everything we loathe about Paypal. I was relieved to realize the OP meant the ease of use part of Paypal, and not all the rest of the baggage that comes with Paypal. I'd have clicked the article with less dread had it been titled "How I made Stripe as easy to use as Paypal in 5 days".
- mparlane 14y ago
  This happened.
nickwoodhams 14y ago
Hey Drew, Site looks great- Hate to tell you though, I beat you to it by a few months :) http://easybill.co http://easybill.co Different pricing structure. Driving keyword traffic has been a bit of a challenge. I think that this is a tough value prop for customers. Overall, site looks great, wish you the best with it.
- mb_72 14y ago
  Good job, and bookmarked. When Stripe makes it to Europe / Australia, you'll have another customer.
- flyinglizard 14y ago
  Fyi your site is pretty broken on Nexus 7, maybe on other mobile Chrome browsers too?
- gavingmiller 14y ago
  Just a bit of feedback on your test forms: Your credit card number doesn't chunk the credit card into segments, making the input really difficult. And the sliding text when fields get focused is distracting. Also as a question. Does my subdomain have to be nickw.easybill.co or will it be specific to my account? (not clearly stated)
kennethologist 14y ago
Are you limited to offering this service to users in the country that Stripe is currently available (US & Canada I believe) or anyone in any country?
sthatipamala 14y ago
I love the concept and the design. My suggestion to Drew is to post screenshots of forms or – better yet– actual dummy forms on spacebox.io's home page. If I hadn't read the post, the actual website wouldn't have indicated how great this is.
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anandkulkarni 14y ago
Good stuff! You should consider supporting recurring billing, too.
justjimmy 14y ago
Wow...you're sick. You can design, code front AND back end? Not to gush, but that's like a step above the 'unicorn' :O Now I have something to aim for :P (I also took a peek at Lumo...wth man...is there anything you don't do!)
callmeed 14y ago
This looks really good. I have a similar service about to launch.
windu 14y ago
This looks great, but I feel like everyone is forgetting about wepay. They are exactly in this market and are usually overshadowed by stripe. I'm testing them out soon, and hopefully I'll be a happy customer.
- acangiano 14y ago
  "You must be a US resident to accept payments." My reason not to use them.
ainsleyb 14y ago
This looks great! It seems to make Stripe simpler (since Stripe is essentially simple payments for developers, but non-developers have a hard time grasping all of their docs). If you don't plan on expanding it too much, you might try to talk to the Stripe team and have them integrate :)
olalonde 14y ago
How will you deal with chargebacks?
navs 14y ago
What I find most appealing about this post is his enthusiasm. It's rubbed off on me. I've been unproductive for the past 2 hours watching anime but suddenly I'm excited again.
steve8918 14y ago
From what I've seen, wepay.com is pretty easy to use and has more functionality.
vog 14y ago
From the article: > The main thing that surprised me about this build was: it wasn’t a “hack-a-thon”. I wasn’t killing myself and never sleeping. Instead, it was just super normal days. Loved it! For me, this was the most insightful thing: that the "5 days" were really 5 days, not 10 days compressed into 5 days.
crux 14y ago
I had been thinking about setting up a simple donation page for a website that I run. I saw this post and decided, heck, why not. I had never touched Stripe or (clearly) Spacebox before. I was done and receiving donations in just about twelve minutes. The longest part of the whole process was logging into my bank account to find my account number.

153 points by drewwilson 14y ago

https://spacebox.io

sachinag 14y ago

I believe the recently announced Wufoo integration does this as well, but it appears this flow is more elegant.

drewwilson 14y ago
Ya, wufoo does it too. But my app is free :) and in the near future will have useful analytics and CSS customization, etc for pro users.
- sachinag 14y ago
  Yeah, I like yours better for sure. But please don't compete on price! Charge for the useful analytics and CSS customization. louisck's web developer should use your product for his next $5 video and you deserve to get paid for that.
  - twelvechairs 14y ago
    > please don't compete on price It strikes me as very sad that in bringing down a monopoly (Paypal), already you are advocating price collusion amongst the new players in the industry...
    - tghw 14y ago
      As opposed to racing to the bottom?
      - twelvechairs 14y ago
        Yes. Its called a competitive market - I don't know how you can seriously argue against such a thing in the modern world, where all of us rely on it (price competition) for basically everything we buy. Though (perhaps thankfully, given the response to my post) the relatively simple nature of this means that its (if not now then soon) going to be a price-competitive industry anyway.
    - clarky07 14y ago
      I think the real point he's making is that it shouldn't be free. Stop giving away your work for free. This is what made the iOS market so hard to make money in. What, you spent 4 months working on that app? Dammit 1.99 is just too much to pay for that. Oh it's free? What the heck are these ads doing here. I hate your ads. Go F* yourself. Seriously. I got a support email today that told me to "Fuck off" because of the ads in one of my free apps. The race to the bottom isn't a good thing for anyone.
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drewwilson 14y ago

You can visit the app directly here: https://spacebox.io https://spacebox.io

dsl 14y ago

You forgot a few critical steps for a full PayPal replacement. Might I recommend: * Set up a Twilio number for billing support. Play hold music even if your office is closed. * Proxy transactions to Stripe using a intermediary server in India to match the latency and reliability. * Randomly multiply totals by 10. * Randomly forget to call the Stripe API. * Setup auto renewals. Even for one time payments. * If a customer has more than 20% in receipts than the previous day, freeze all funds for 190 days.

jrockway 14y ago
Also require the user to enter his One Time Password to unsubscribe from marketing emails.
- dmix 14y ago
  Also arbitrarily decline companies the ability to be merchants because their customer service rep in Nebraska doesn't know what "SaaS" means.
- AgentConundrum 14y ago
  Isn't that illegal?
  - bwilliams18 14y ago
    They want to confirm your identity.
    - AgentConundrum 14y ago
      I get that, but I thought that CAN-SPAM required one-click unsubscribes.
      - jrockway 14y ago
        I'm pretty sure you're right. Laws are like traffic lights: nothing is actually physically preventing you from driving through red lights, it's just that you might get in trouble if you do it. "Might" being the operative word. (And there are a lot more traffic cops than spam cops.)

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ta12121 14y ago

Paypal? Or a toy example kind of like Paypal?

Sam_Odio 14y ago
You're pointing out the obvious (that this is a 5-day one person project) in a way that's not constructive.
- evv 14y ago
  I am not defending a valueless response like that, but it is a bit crazy to imply that one person could build something the size of PayPal in five days.
- ta12121 14y ago
  The title is stupid, and titles matter. PayPal is PayPal not because you can send money based on email addresses but because it was the company that figured out how to do it in a way and at a time that won the market. Making a PayPal like website has little to do with why people know the name PayPal, or the company's significance. It's like setting up a toy online book store and saying "How I created Amazon in five days". It's meaningless and stupid. And sometimes things are so stupid they're not worth being "constructive" about.

rkalla 14y ago

Best of luck with this Drew. Looks like a great simple approach for folks jus wanting to "collect some damn money" - a lot of payment platforms require a much higher bar be cleared to get started, that is what it looks like you ace here (especially with the form builder - brilliant) Your offering will naturally grow an expand as Stripe does so - smart move.

makmanalp 14y ago

Isn't this a prime candidate to be out-competed by stripe?

tdrd 14y ago
Why does stripe need to out-compete this? They still get their cut.
- makmanalp 14y ago
  Yeah but they can just implement this in a week or two, whenever convenient, and get all of the money.

arkonaut 14y ago

Really well done! Love where the payments space is going.

rexreed 14y ago

I clicked the article title in dread fearing someone had turned Stripe the company into a mirror image of everything we loathe about Paypal. I was relieved to realize the OP meant the ease of use part of Paypal, and not all the rest of the baggage that comes with Paypal. I'd have clicked the article with less dread had it been titled "How I made Stripe as easy to use as Paypal in 5 days".

mparlane 14y ago
This happened.

nickwoodhams 14y ago

Hey Drew, Site looks great- Hate to tell you though, I beat you to it by a few months :) http://easybill.co http://easybill.co Different pricing structure. Driving keyword traffic has been a bit of a challenge. I think that this is a tough value prop for customers. Overall, site looks great, wish you the best with it.

mb_72 14y ago
Good job, and bookmarked. When Stripe makes it to Europe / Australia, you'll have another customer.
flyinglizard 14y ago
Fyi your site is pretty broken on Nexus 7, maybe on other mobile Chrome browsers too?
gavingmiller 14y ago
Just a bit of feedback on your test forms: Your credit card number doesn't chunk the credit card into segments, making the input really difficult. And the sliding text when fields get focused is distracting. Also as a question. Does my subdomain have to be nickw.easybill.co or will it be specific to my account? (not clearly stated)

kennethologist 14y ago

Are you limited to offering this service to users in the country that Stripe is currently available (US & Canada I believe) or anyone in any country?

sthatipamala 14y ago

I love the concept and the design. My suggestion to Drew is to post screenshots of forms or – better yet– actual dummy forms on spacebox.io's home page. If I hadn't read the post, the actual website wouldn't have indicated how great this is.

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anandkulkarni 14y ago

Good stuff! You should consider supporting recurring billing, too.

justjimmy 14y ago

Wow...you're sick. You can design, code front AND back end? Not to gush, but that's like a step above the 'unicorn' :O Now I have something to aim for :P (I also took a peek at Lumo...wth man...is there anything you don't do!)

callmeed 14y ago

This looks really good. I have a similar service about to launch.

windu 14y ago

This looks great, but I feel like everyone is forgetting about wepay. They are exactly in this market and are usually overshadowed by stripe. I'm testing them out soon, and hopefully I'll be a happy customer.

acangiano 14y ago
"You must be a US resident to accept payments." My reason not to use them.

ainsleyb 14y ago

This looks great! It seems to make Stripe simpler (since Stripe is essentially simple payments for developers, but non-developers have a hard time grasping all of their docs). If you don't plan on expanding it too much, you might try to talk to the Stripe team and have them integrate :)

olalonde 14y ago

How will you deal with chargebacks?

navs 14y ago

What I find most appealing about this post is his enthusiasm. It's rubbed off on me. I've been unproductive for the past 2 hours watching anime but suddenly I'm excited again.

steve8918 14y ago

From what I've seen, wepay.com is pretty easy to use and has more functionality.

vog 14y ago

From the article: > The main thing that surprised me about this build was: it wasn’t a “hack-a-thon”. I wasn’t killing myself and never sleeping. Instead, it was just super normal days. Loved it! For me, this was the most insightful thing: that the "5 days" were really 5 days, not 10 days compressed into 5 days.

crux 14y ago

I had been thinking about setting up a simple donation page for a website that I run. I saw this post and decided, heck, why not. I had never touched Stripe or (clearly) Spacebox before. I was done and receiving donations in just about twelve minutes. The longest part of the whole process was logging into my bank account to find my account number.