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They're not just going after the so-called "illegal aliens", something made clear after the numerous extrajudicial killings by ICE officers recently, such as th
by regenschutz 9mo ago
They're not just going after the so-called "illegal aliens", something made clear after the numerous extrajudicial killings by ICE officers recently, such as the one that occured yesterday.
- nailer 9mo agoSomeone bought a Sig Sauer gun that’s known to go off when moved suddenly (you can find as many videos as you want on the issue) - grabbed an agent and resisted arrest. The gun went off during the arrest, officers thought the man was firing at them. It’s tragic - the way to prevent this is to increase calm, give the federal officers some support, stop conspiracy theories (eg like the boy that abandoned by his father that people say was ‘arrested’ or your comment pretending it was a murder) and stop vigilante groups from causing chaos.
- JKCalhoun 9mo agoHas there been an investigation?
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- AngryData 9mo agoLol no, guns don't just magically go off when in a holster. Yes mechanical failures do happen, but it requires very specific types of impact in very specific ways that cannot happen when in a holster and are so rare as to happen on decade timescales with tens of thousands of the gun. Also I saw zero evidence of that guys gun going off in the video, the first shot heard is the shot coming out of the ICE goon's gun that he is pointing at that guy, who then also mag dumps him while he is on the ground.
- rlt 9mo agoThe Sig Sauer P320, which is what Alex Pretti had, is notorious for unintentionally discharging. Various law enforcement agencies and militaries have stopped using it for that reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P320 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P320
- AngryData 9mo ago"the firearm may discharge when it is dropped and the back of the slide hits the ground at a 33-degree angle" That is pretty hard to accomplish while its in a holster unless the guy was suplexed and his entire spine turned to jello giving the gun a multi-foot uncushioned drop. "misfire was due to "a partial depression of the trigger by a foreign object combined with simultaneous movement of the slide" Which is irrelevant when in a shielded holster like this guy has. On top of all this, even had the gun went off, which I have found zero evidence to support, how would that guy know who's gun went off to start with? Guns don't light up with a bunch of LEDs to show you it has been fired. If you aren't staring directly at the gun, which isn't really possible in the scenario that played out, you wouldn't know whos gun went off. And even if someone was staring at the gun and saw it go off, how does a holstered gun that nobody is holding represent any sort of threat? You think the guy is controlling his gun with his mind powers? I don't even know why im bother argueing with you because this entire thing is ludicrous. I find it hard to believe you have watched any of the video of the incident at all and came to this conclusion.
- rlt 9mo agoIf it misfired it likely misfired as it was being taken, not while in his holster. If you’re detaining someone who has a gun and a gun goes off it’s incompetent, maybe negligent, but not murder to react by shooting the guy who had the gun. I don’t think anyone can draw definitive conclusions from the videos.
- andygeorge 9mo ago> it’s incompetent but not murder That is a conclusion
- hydrogen7800 9mo agoWell, that's an interesting take. Even if a holstered weapon did discharge (no idea how likely this is for the specific weapon in question), why would someone suspect they are being fired at by a person with a holstered weapon? Poor/no training is the most charitable explanation. I suppose enough people will grasp at this take.
- rlt 9mo agoPoor training seems plausible, if not likely. But then it's not murder / "extrajudicial killing".
- hydrogen7800 9mo agoIncredulity, like sarcasm, does not convey well in text.
- rlt 9mo agoNo, really, the Sig Sauer P320 is known for unintentionally discharging: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46759664 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46759664
- nailer 9mo agoThe only person suggesting the gun went off while holstered was the sibling comment by ‘AngryData’. After ICE discoverers the gun and yells “gun! Gun!” the Sig discharges into the ground (visible in some of the videos) before he is shot 3 times.
- thrance 9mo agoYou saw the videos, the guy only had a phone in hand, he got tear gased, pinned to the ground, and then they unloaded their guns on him. Stop lying about what you saw, or we'll start to believe you're actually pro-murder.
- nailer 9mo agoPhone was in his right hand (our left) and gun was holstered near his other hand. The gun went off into the ground as P320s are known to do when they removed it from him and officers reacted.