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It is really disheartening and sad to see this community burying its head in the sand and ignoring what’s happening to our country

by noncoml 8mo ago

nailer 8mo ago
There’s probably a lot of people that have say mainstream left (eg Obama and Sanders statements around 2010), centrist and conservative views on illegal immigration and support enforcing the law. What you see as something bad happening is something very normal made more difficult by unhelpful state governments and vigilante groups.
- saubeidl 8mo ago
  Armed goons terrorizing cities, dragging people out to brutalize and murder them is not "something very normal". It's what the brown shirts did.
  - nailer 8mo ago
    [flagged]
    - maest 8mo ago
      "Come right in, the water is fine" said the frog in the pot.
      - nailer 8mo ago
        As a legal immigrant, I’m not in the pot because I didn’t enter the country by breaking the law.
        defrost 8mo ago
        Nor did the Navajo enter the country by breaking the law. All the same: https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/navajo-man-opens-up-about-being-detained-by-ice https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/navajo-man-opens-up-ab...
        Juliate 8mo ago
        I call that a lack of situational awareness…
        saubeidl 8mo ago
        "I'm not in the pot - I'm a good German, not a Jew!"
        computerthings 8mo ago
        [dead]
    - daveguy 8mo ago
      Maybe you should change the channel from Fox News, NewsMax and "apolitical" forums. It is happening everywhere dumpty and his goon squad decides to make it happen. Do you not realize these ICE agents are Federal agents? Sure, completely incompetent, racists that choose to join so they can go after immigrants (legal or otherwise) with cover, but officially sanctioned Federal agents nonetheless. Your ignorance and acceptance is sad.
      - nailer 8mo ago
        Do you have reports of serious incidents between members of the public and federal agents in Florida as you allege or are you just on HN to insult people but not actually respond to their arguments? If so, what happened?
        daveguy 8mo ago
        Plenty of credible reports of ICE dipshits using force on peaceful protesters. Florida tools are just too busy licking boot to be out peacefully protetsing. Keep on licking, tool.
        nailer 8mo ago
        So it seems you agree, you just calls people interfering with federal law enforcement 'peaceful protesters', and then throw around the expected insults. Why do you think the people violently trying to stop enforcement of the law the government was democratically elected to enforce aren’t the "boot"?
        saubeidl 8mo ago
        You know what else was law enforcement? Law enforcement of a democratically elected government? The Gestapo. Sometimes the law and its enforcers are the bad guys. Usually around the point where they abduct, brutalize and murder with impunity
        8mo ago
- array_key_first 8mo ago
  Anyone who believes ICE is legitimately trying to rectify illegal immigration is either too stupid to function or a liar. Because I give the benefit of the doubt, I will assume most people are not that stupid. So, the only option left is they don't actually believe it, and it's just virtue signalling to their fascist overloads. Personally, I think that's a bit pathetic, not to mention naive. Nobody has any reason to think they will be spared, citizen or not.
shantara 8mo ago
What I see today on HN mirrors the processes I've witnessed in Russian speaking parts of the net during the 2010s. Despite the escalation of totalitarianism in Russia, the growing internet censorship and military operations in nearby countries, which left the posters on the same websites on the different sides of military conflicts, some sites have stuck to their "no politics" rule. Both to avoid upsetting people in power and out of their owners' naïve beliefs. Reading them was like living in an alternate reality where nothing more notable happens than a release of new version X of a framework Y. Large portions of the tech community had exactly the same attitude that could be seen here and now - refusal to consider the societal implications of their daily work, adherence to technical solutions over the real world ones ("I'll just work remotely and use a VPN, who cares") and just simple willful ignorance. It was around that time that I started to frequent English speaking discussions, which were much more vibrant and open. It saddens me to see the same kind of process repeat itself here.
thrance 8mo ago
If it was only that... What I really take issue with are all the mentally ill trolls jumping in to defend ICE, lying through their teeth about the content of videos we all saw. But actually supporting murder isn't enough to get you banned in here.
mercanlIl 8mo ago
As a non-American, I like the way HN is moderated. This isn’t an American politics and domestic issues forum.
- progbits 8mo ago
  As a fellow non-american who also hates politics (us, home or other), pretending this doesn't affect you or the tech world is hopelessly naive. I hate seeing these posts on HN. I hate not seeing them / getting flagged more.
  - AlecSchueler 8mo ago
    Exactly. I'm watching this from the Netherlands. Until last year I always ignored political posts here but now it's become an existential necessity to be involved.

It is really disheartening and sad to see this community burying its head in the sand and ignoring what’s happening to our country

by noncoml 8mo ago

It is really disheartening and sad to see this community burying its head in the sand and ignoring what’s happening to our country

nailer 8mo ago

There’s probably a lot of people that have say mainstream left (eg Obama and Sanders statements around 2010), centrist and conservative views on illegal immigration and support enforcing the law. What you see as something bad happening is something very normal made more difficult by unhelpful state governments and vigilante groups.

saubeidl 8mo ago
Armed goons terrorizing cities, dragging people out to brutalize and murder them is not "something very normal". It's what the brown shirts did.
- nailer 8mo ago
  [flagged]
  - maest 8mo ago
    "Come right in, the water is fine" said the frog in the pot.
    - nailer 8mo ago
      As a legal immigrant, I’m not in the pot because I didn’t enter the country by breaking the law.
      - defrost 8mo ago
        Nor did the Navajo enter the country by breaking the law. All the same: https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/navajo-man-opens-up-about-being-detained-by-ice https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/navajo-man-opens-up-ab...
      - Juliate 8mo ago
        I call that a lack of situational awareness…
      - saubeidl 8mo ago
        "I'm not in the pot - I'm a good German, not a Jew!"
      - computerthings 8mo ago
        [dead]
  - daveguy 8mo ago
    Maybe you should change the channel from Fox News, NewsMax and "apolitical" forums. It is happening everywhere dumpty and his goon squad decides to make it happen. Do you not realize these ICE agents are Federal agents? Sure, completely incompetent, racists that choose to join so they can go after immigrants (legal or otherwise) with cover, but officially sanctioned Federal agents nonetheless. Your ignorance and acceptance is sad.
    - nailer 8mo ago
      Do you have reports of serious incidents between members of the public and federal agents in Florida as you allege or are you just on HN to insult people but not actually respond to their arguments? If so, what happened?
      - daveguy 8mo ago
        Plenty of credible reports of ICE dipshits using force on peaceful protesters. Florida tools are just too busy licking boot to be out peacefully protetsing. Keep on licking, tool.
        nailer 8mo ago
        So it seems you agree, you just calls people interfering with federal law enforcement 'peaceful protesters', and then throw around the expected insults. Why do you think the people violently trying to stop enforcement of the law the government was democratically elected to enforce aren’t the "boot"?
        saubeidl 8mo ago
        You know what else was law enforcement? Law enforcement of a democratically elected government? The Gestapo. Sometimes the law and its enforcers are the bad guys. Usually around the point where they abduct, brutalize and murder with impunity
        8mo ago
array_key_first 8mo ago
Anyone who believes ICE is legitimately trying to rectify illegal immigration is either too stupid to function or a liar. Because I give the benefit of the doubt, I will assume most people are not that stupid. So, the only option left is they don't actually believe it, and it's just virtue signalling to their fascist overloads. Personally, I think that's a bit pathetic, not to mention naive. Nobody has any reason to think they will be spared, citizen or not.

shantara 8mo ago

What I see today on HN mirrors the processes I've witnessed in Russian speaking parts of the net during the 2010s. Despite the escalation of totalitarianism in Russia, the growing internet censorship and military operations in nearby countries, which left the posters on the same websites on the different sides of military conflicts, some sites have stuck to their "no politics" rule. Both to avoid upsetting people in power and out of their owners' naïve beliefs. Reading them was like living in an alternate reality where nothing more notable happens than a release of new version X of a framework Y. Large portions of the tech community had exactly the same attitude that could be seen here and now - refusal to consider the societal implications of their daily work, adherence to technical solutions over the real world ones ("I'll just work remotely and use a VPN, who cares") and just simple willful ignorance. It was around that time that I started to frequent English speaking discussions, which were much more vibrant and open. It saddens me to see the same kind of process repeat itself here.

thrance 8mo ago

If it was only that... What I really take issue with are all the mentally ill trolls jumping in to defend ICE, lying through their teeth about the content of videos we all saw. But actually supporting murder isn't enough to get you banned in here.

mercanlIl 8mo ago

As a non-American, I like the way HN is moderated. This isn’t an American politics and domestic issues forum.

progbits 8mo ago
As a fellow non-american who also hates politics (us, home or other), pretending this doesn't affect you or the tech world is hopelessly naive. I hate seeing these posts on HN. I hate not seeing them / getting flagged more.
- AlecSchueler 8mo ago
  Exactly. I'm watching this from the Netherlands. Until last year I always ignored political posts here but now it's become an existential necessity to be involved.