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It's amazing how quickly the party of small government, states rights, and the 2nd amendment quickly turned against all their principles. It really shows how ma

It's amazing how quickly the party of small government, states rights, and the 2nd amendment quickly turned against all their principles. It really shows how many people care more about party than principle.

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> shows how many people care more about party than principle "Trump’s net approval rating on immigration has declined by about 4 points since the day before Good’s death until today. Meanwhile, his overall approval rating has declined by 2 points and is near its second-term lows" [1]. I'd encourage anyone watching to actually pay attention to "how many people care more about party than principle." I suspect it's fewer than MAGA high command thinks. [1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-losing-normies-on-immigration https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-losing-normies-on-immi...
- wat10000 9mo ago
  Two percent of Americans changing their opinion in the face of state sanctioned murder is not a good number.
  - CuriouslyC 9mo ago
    The people who still support the orange troll live in an echo chamber where they've been sold the bullshit that quran waiving communist terrorists and the deep state are behind all of this, and it's a con job.
  - godelski 9mo ago
    Multiple state sanctioned murder Not to mention the extrajudicial killings Not to mention the Epstein reports I'm really not sure what people actually care about because for some reason they won't actually tell you
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > Two percent of Americans changing their opinion in the face of state sanctioned murder is not a good number Two percent could swing an election. And two percent can convince another two percentage points to get angry. Never dismiss small swings out of hand.
    - wat10000 9mo ago
      I welcome it, don't get me wrong, and every little bit helps. But the fact that we have so many people like this is still a massive problem.
atmavatar 9mo ago
It's not that amazing. The Republican party has repeatedly demonstrated my entire life that their goal is power and all stated ideals can and will be sacrificed as needed to achieve that goal. We get things like philandering individuals running on family values platforms, anti-gay individuals being caught performing gay sex acts in restaurant bathrooms, crowing about deficits and the national debt during Democrat administrations while cutting taxes and increasing spending during Republican administrations, blocking Supreme Court nominations because it's "too close to an election" while pushing through another Supreme Court nomination mere weeks before a subsequent election, etc. The fuel running the Republican political machine is bad faith.
wat10000 9mo ago
They haven’t turned against their principles. Party is the principle. You’re just confused because you thought their stated principles were real. I spent too much of the 90s listening to Rush Limbaugh and consuming other conservative media and the exact same contradictions were prominently on display then. They absolutely excoriated law enforcement for things like the Waco siege. The phrase “jack-booted thugs” got used. But when LAPD beat the shit out of Rodney King on video, suddenly police could do no wrong.
- plagiarist 9mo ago
  It's important to distinguish between their stated principles and their actually held principles. They are quite principled.
  - godelski 9mo ago
    Most people understand this. We're just using fewer words because most people understand

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago

> shows how many people care more about party than principle "Trump’s net approval rating on immigration has declined by about 4 points since the day before Good’s death until today. Meanwhile, his overall approval rating has declined by 2 points and is near its second-term lows" [1]. I'd encourage anyone watching to actually pay attention to "how many people care more about party than principle." I suspect it's fewer than MAGA high command thinks. [1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-losing-normies-on-immigration https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-losing-normies-on-immi...

wat10000 9mo ago
Two percent of Americans changing their opinion in the face of state sanctioned murder is not a good number.
- CuriouslyC 9mo ago
  The people who still support the orange troll live in an echo chamber where they've been sold the bullshit that quran waiving communist terrorists and the deep state are behind all of this, and it's a con job.
- godelski 9mo ago
  Multiple state sanctioned murder Not to mention the extrajudicial killings Not to mention the Epstein reports I'm really not sure what people actually care about because for some reason they won't actually tell you
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > Two percent of Americans changing their opinion in the face of state sanctioned murder is not a good number Two percent could swing an election. And two percent can convince another two percentage points to get angry. Never dismiss small swings out of hand.
  - wat10000 9mo ago
    I welcome it, don't get me wrong, and every little bit helps. But the fact that we have so many people like this is still a massive problem.

atmavatar 9mo ago

It's not that amazing. The Republican party has repeatedly demonstrated my entire life that their goal is power and all stated ideals can and will be sacrificed as needed to achieve that goal. We get things like philandering individuals running on family values platforms, anti-gay individuals being caught performing gay sex acts in restaurant bathrooms, crowing about deficits and the national debt during Democrat administrations while cutting taxes and increasing spending during Republican administrations, blocking Supreme Court nominations because it's "too close to an election" while pushing through another Supreme Court nomination mere weeks before a subsequent election, etc. The fuel running the Republican political machine is bad faith.

wat10000 9mo ago

They haven’t turned against their principles. Party is the principle. You’re just confused because you thought their stated principles were real. I spent too much of the 90s listening to Rush Limbaugh and consuming other conservative media and the exact same contradictions were prominently on display then. They absolutely excoriated law enforcement for things like the Waco siege. The phrase “jack-booted thugs” got used. But when LAPD beat the shit out of Rodney King on video, suddenly police could do no wrong.

plagiarist 9mo ago
It's important to distinguish between their stated principles and their actually held principles. They are quite principled.
- godelski 9mo ago
  Most people understand this. We're just using fewer words because most people understand