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Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads

• wahnfrieden 9mo ago
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  • nxm 9mo ago
    Do explain
    • lawn 9mo ago
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      • philipallstar 9mo ago
        Once upon a time this was such a shocking accusation that people just believed it, as who would lie about it? But when people say this for ten years at the drop of a hat, you have to forgive everyone else for not just automatically believing it any more.
    • sambull 9mo ago
      “If it was up to Stephen [Miller], there would only be 100 million people in this country, and they would all look like him.” To accomplish things like that, a lot of us are going to be removed. I don't think these are jokes, it's a pattern of statements to condition and normalize. A thing he has done over and over.
      • uxp100 9mo ago
        What are you quoting? I mean, that sounds like what Stephen miller believes, but who said it?
        • wahnfrieden 9mo ago
          Trump, ~6 months ago
        • hrldcpr 9mo ago
          https://archive.is/20250921060001/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/16/us/politics/stephen-miller-trump.html https://archive.is/20250921060001/https://www.nytimes.com/20...
      • LightBug1 9mo ago
        ... a Temu Fredo Corleone with a Nazi haricut ...
• odie5533 9mo ago
  Medicaid-receiving immigrants could have their immigration status change, legal violations, emergency medicaid use, sometimes there's state funded coverage that immigrants are offered, etc. There's lots of reasons where Medicaid will have information on immigrants.
  • lvspiff 9mo ago
    That doesnt mean they are illegal right off the bat - there is no reasonable way to filter out the "illegal" members of the roles and essentially making it so the DOJ has a list of people who they can cross reference with expiring status and the moment the clock strikes midnight and their status changes they can get picked up. They should not have all those records for fishing expedititions.
• nemomarx 9mo ago
  Do you actually think ICE cares about your legal citizenship status?
  • loeg 9mo ago
    Yes. That's very relevant to their aims.
    • neumann 9mo ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46758042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46758042
    • brettermeier 9mo ago
      That will change. Soon.
      • self_awareness 9mo ago
        Oh okay!
• dashundchen 9mo ago
  ICE has been harassing and following legal observers to their houses. They've shot and executed at least two people who were exercising their legal right to record their activity. The FBI has been showing up at the door of some people who dare to organize protests against ICE. Stingrays have been deployed to protests, ICE is collecting photos of protestors for their database, and has been querying YCombinator funded Flock to pull automated license plate camera data from around the country. Trump, Vance, Noem and Miller are calling anyone who protests them domestic terrorists. It's pretty clear this isn't just about immigration, that this is about pooling data for a surveillance state that can quash the constitutional rights of anyone who dares to oppose the current regime. We've seen this story before.
  • gruez 9mo ago
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    • direwolf20 9mo ago
      Renee Good blocked half the [small, suburban, low traffic, no lane markings] road and told the officers they were free to drive around her. I don't know what the blockage was about the but she seemingly wasn't trying to get in anyone's way.
      • gruez 9mo ago
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        • Sparkle-san 9mo ago
          Last time I checked, traffic violations aren't punishable by summary execution.
        • EngineerUSA 9mo ago
          Blocking any road is no excuse for execution at arm's range. Completely unacceptable.
• gunsle 9mo ago
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• michaelmrose 9mo ago
  They hold both that people whose citizenship depends on birthright citizenship are not in fact citizens and that naturalized citizens can be denaturalized either for disloyalty or based on some sham pretext. They also see people getting benefits as leaches worthy of targeting. Also naturalized and birthright citizens are far more likely than others to associate or live with others of less legal status. Naturalized and birthright citizens quality for benefits and they and their families are at risk. If they are allowed to detain and deport without any due process as they have asserted anyone not white is at risk. The DHS official social media presence shared a picture of an island paradise with the caption America after 100 million deportations. This is the number of non-whites not the number of immigrants in even the most ridiculous estimates.
• nextos 9mo ago
  Medicaid holds previous addresses, household details, previous diagnoses, ethnicity, etc. It is quite trivial to infer if someone is likely to have emigrated to the US due to obvious gaps in records or in their relatives' ones. This is what Palantir does, essentially. Simple inference and information fusion from different sources.
• jayd16 9mo ago
  Pam Bondi is now demanding voter rolls. It's clearly about suppressing liberal voters in liberal areas through a show of force. They're using this data to optimize who to harass.
  • cma256 9mo ago
    If citizenship is required to vote then how would accessing voter rolls suppress liberal voters? Honest question; I'm not concern trolling. I had to Google who's allowed to vote. I found this article[1] by the Brennan Center. It alleges this is an attempted federal takeover of elections but it doesn't suggest or allude to voter suppression. I'm not convinced by the article that having access to voter rolls can be considered a federal takeover of election administration (but I'm not in the know and would need things explained more verbosely). If you have more information about the attempted centralization of election administration and its impacts on voter suppression I would be interested to know more. 1. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/trump-administration-has-sued-more-20-states-refusing-turn-over-voter https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/trum...
    • neumann 9mo ago
      I don't understand your question. What does citizenship got to do with this?
      • cma256 9mo ago
        I thought GP was arguing they were trying to find non-citizens on the voter rolls to intimidate them (which may be a misreading).
        • jayd16 9mo ago
          They'll claim they're doing that but intimidate citizens instead.
        • cthalupa 9mo ago
          No. There are not non-citizens on voter rolls. They want the rolls to get data on voters. When you ask yourself why the ultra-politicized DOJ (which isn't even the DHS...) from an administration that has explicitly called liberals the enemy is asking for voter rolls, it becomes pretty understandable why people might come to the conclusion that it is to suppress the people that have already explicitly been identified as targets.
• cael450 9mo ago
  My wife works in autism services in a predominantly Latino city. Those kids all have Medicaid, which includes info about their parents. It would be pretty trivial to cross reference with other data points to identify kids with undocumented parents and then you have their home address. Many of these kids go to a clinic everyday, so now you know when someone (likely a parent) is dropping them off too. She’s had patients with parents who have been picked up by ICE. I wouldn’t be surprised if that data came from Medicaid. It’s basically the same as the IRS data they’ve been using. And it is next to impossible for average people to get adequate care for their kids with autism without Medicaid and early intervention can make the difference between someone who can live relatively independently with supports and someone who will spend their adult life chemically restrained in an institution. So they are in between a rock and a hard place.
  • 4gotunameagain 9mo ago
    Using the medical need of someone's child in order to track them down and deport them, separating them from their family ? I wish I believed in god, because this shit is beyond evil.
    • quacked 9mo ago
      What ICE is doing is naked incompetent fascism and the entity needs to be disbanded with hostility. With that said, no, it's not evil to deport people who entered a country illegally. If I sneak into China, and China finds out, they are morally and legally clear to send me back, whether or not I've had children in China.
      • 4gotunameagain 9mo ago
        I didn't talk about deportation itself. I talked about using a sick child as a vector to identify who to deport. I am not for unrestrained immigration either. But I would not look for whose child is sick so I can kick them out and leave the sick child alone.
      • vharuck 9mo ago
• smsm42 9mo ago
  > EFF claims that some states enroll illegal immigrants in Medicaid Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between legal residents and illegal immigrants, but we can not assume it by default. But I am not sure if the states use their own money for this - why would they send this information to HHS?
  • JuniperMesos 9mo ago
    > Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between legal residents and illegal immigrants, but we can not assume it by default. If a state bureaucracy doesn't explicitly check for legal immigration status then yes the policymakers in that state are trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigration.
    • nobody9999 9mo ago
      >If a state bureaucracy doesn't explicitly check for legal immigration status then yes the policymakers in that state are trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigration. When it comes to healthcare, many states don't care if you're a tourist or a resident or a one-eyed, one-eared, horned purple-people eater. They (because their constituents -- you know, the folks who pay for this -- believe people shouldn't be dying in the streets because they can't afford basic care, regardless of who they are/where they came from) provide healthcare to anyone who needs it because it's the compassionate, humane thing to do. That some states do not do so says a lot about the folks who run and live in those states -- partly that they have little empathy for their fellow human beings. Which seems weird, given that many of those states have "leaders" and vocal residents who claim to be Christian, yet they are unwilling to engage in the very things that Jesus Christ prescribes[0][1][2] that they do. I'm glad I'm not a Christian. If I were, I don't think I could abide such evil, selfishness and hypocrisy. [0] https://www.borgenmagazine.com/9-quotes-from-jesus-on-why-we-must-help-the-poor/ https://www.borgenmagazine.com/9-quotes-from-jesus-on-why-we... [1] https://jesusleadershiptraining.com/charity-what-did-jesus-say-about-charity/ https://jesusleadershiptraining.com/charity-what-did-jesus-s... [2] https://christ.org/blogs/questions-answers/what-did-jesus-teach-us-about-charity https://christ.org/blogs/questions-answers/what-did-jesus-te...