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Not nearly well-funded enough. You get $50000 for joining ICE, you get ten bullets in the back for filming them.

by CamperBob2 10mo ago

frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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- Sharlin 10mo ago
  The administration has already given its verdict, and that's all the "investigation" you're going to get.
- ghouse 10mo ago
  If you can't make heads or tails of the videos, then how is it clear to you he wasn't merely filming?
  - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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    - jacquesm 10mo ago
      Oh, it is very clear, just not to you.
      - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
        https://nypost.com/2026/01/28/us-news/alex-pretti-appears-to-spit-at-ice-kick-out-tail-light-in-previous-minneapolis-confrontation-before-he-was-shot-by-border-patrol/ https://nypost.com/2026/01/28/us-news/alex-pretti-appears-to... It is very clear to me. If you can’t see this for what it is, that’s not on me.
    - ProjectArcturis 10mo ago
      None so blind as those who refuse to see.
      - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
        The overriding motivation to see what you want to see isn’t limited to one side.
- lostmsu 10mo ago
  If he "clearly" wasn't merely filming, what alse did he seem to be doing?
  - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
    Attempting to “de-arrest” someone. See also https://nypost.com/2026/01/28/us-news/alex-pretti-appears-to-spit-at-ice-kick-out-tail-light-in-previous-minneapolis-confrontation-before-he-was-shot-by-border-patrol/ https://nypost.com/2026/01/28/us-news/alex-pretti-appears-to...
    - lostmsu 9mo ago
      > more than a week before he was fatally shot
      - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
        His attempt to “de-arrest” someone occurred immediately before he was fatally shot. That stands on its own as the proximate cause of the outcome. The video from a week earlier merely establishes a consistent pattern of behavior. He was not peacefully protesting. Repeatedly showing up to protests, engaging in violence, and doing so while carrying a loaded firearm fundamentally undermines that claim. Carrying a weapon imposes an elevated duty of restraint: when you are armed, you have an inherent responsibility to avoid escalating conflict, precisely because your presence introduces a far greater risk of serious injury or death -- including to yourself. Literally fighting with federal agents is the opposite of restraint and satisfies the elements of criminal conduct irrespective of political motive. Anyone lionizing him is engaging in vapid propaganda. He was not a peaceful protester, he was not a responsible gun owner, and he consistently engaged in criminal behavior that ultimately led to his death.
        lostmsu 9mo ago
        Where do you see de-arrest? The article only says he wedged himself between an officer and another protester, which I'd say is normal in any protest.
- mindslight 10mo ago
  "Are you stoned, or are you stupid?" The main group of politicians encouraging the destruction of law and order is the regime currently squatting in the White House, rejecting any sort of accountability for the revanchist militias they have sent to attack American civil society. And no, it doesn't matter that the wannabe tin-pot dictator gave them "law enforcement" badges as both they and their leadership clearly have no respect for the highest laws of the land.
- CamperBob2 10mo ago
  Good article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal with cleaned/stabilized versions of the videos, synchronized from multiple perspectives. Maybe check it out: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-contradict-u-s-account-of-minneapolis-shooting-by-federal-agents-fbe1e488?mod=WSJ_home_mediumtopper_pos_1 https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-contradict-u-s-account-of... Of course you're right to be suspicious. The Trump administration has already used AI-altered videos to bear false witness in at least one instance we know of, so it's a good idea to hunt down multiple sources. (That, incidentally, is one reason why it's so important for citizens to film ICE and other so-called "law enforcement" activities in the first place. Multiple sources need to exist.) In this case, the footage is consistent and unequivocal: an execution-style killing took place in cold blood under color of law. But I'm sure that won't always be true.
- dugidugout 10mo ago
  Sounds like you made your side just fine. The "head or tails" is currently whether one thinks those ICE gunmen should be on that block, with their uniform, and with their orders.
- pineaux 10mo ago
  checked out your comments. Dont need to know more
pineaux 10mo ago
edit: this was for frumple. I dont know what murder people are referring to, but if its Alex Pretti, I would like to point you to the analysis by Bellingcat, currently posted on reddit. Its clearly a murderous execution of a man that is on his hands and feet. You will not let me choose lies above my own eyes.
- deleted 10mo ago
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Not nearly well-funded enough. You get $50000 for joining ICE, you get ten bullets in the back for filming them.

frumplestlatz 10mo ago

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Sharlin 10mo ago
The administration has already given its verdict, and that's all the "investigation" you're going to get.
ghouse 10mo ago
If you can't make heads or tails of the videos, then how is it clear to you he wasn't merely filming?
- frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    Oh, it is very clear, just not to you.
    - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
      https://nypost.com/2026/01/28/us-news/alex-pretti-appears-to-spit-at-ice-kick-out-tail-light-in-previous-minneapolis-confrontation-before-he-was-shot-by-border-patrol/ https://nypost.com/2026/01/28/us-news/alex-pretti-appears-to... It is very clear to me. If you can’t see this for what it is, that’s not on me.
  - ProjectArcturis 10mo ago
    None so blind as those who refuse to see.
    - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
      The overriding motivation to see what you want to see isn’t limited to one side.
lostmsu 10mo ago
If he "clearly" wasn't merely filming, what alse did he seem to be doing?
- frumplestlatz 9mo ago
  Attempting to “de-arrest” someone. See also https://nypost.com/2026/01/28/us-news/alex-pretti-appears-to-spit-at-ice-kick-out-tail-light-in-previous-minneapolis-confrontation-before-he-was-shot-by-border-patrol/ https://nypost.com/2026/01/28/us-news/alex-pretti-appears-to...
  - lostmsu 9mo ago
    > more than a week before he was fatally shot
    - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
      His attempt to “de-arrest” someone occurred immediately before he was fatally shot. That stands on its own as the proximate cause of the outcome. The video from a week earlier merely establishes a consistent pattern of behavior. He was not peacefully protesting. Repeatedly showing up to protests, engaging in violence, and doing so while carrying a loaded firearm fundamentally undermines that claim. Carrying a weapon imposes an elevated duty of restraint: when you are armed, you have an inherent responsibility to avoid escalating conflict, precisely because your presence introduces a far greater risk of serious injury or death -- including to yourself. Literally fighting with federal agents is the opposite of restraint and satisfies the elements of criminal conduct irrespective of political motive. Anyone lionizing him is engaging in vapid propaganda. He was not a peaceful protester, he was not a responsible gun owner, and he consistently engaged in criminal behavior that ultimately led to his death.
      - lostmsu 9mo ago
        Where do you see de-arrest? The article only says he wedged himself between an officer and another protester, which I'd say is normal in any protest.
mindslight 10mo ago
"Are you stoned, or are you stupid?" The main group of politicians encouraging the destruction of law and order is the regime currently squatting in the White House, rejecting any sort of accountability for the revanchist militias they have sent to attack American civil society. And no, it doesn't matter that the wannabe tin-pot dictator gave them "law enforcement" badges as both they and their leadership clearly have no respect for the highest laws of the land.
CamperBob2 10mo ago
Good article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal with cleaned/stabilized versions of the videos, synchronized from multiple perspectives. Maybe check it out: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-contradict-u-s-account-of-minneapolis-shooting-by-federal-agents-fbe1e488?mod=WSJ_home_mediumtopper_pos_1 https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-contradict-u-s-account-of... Of course you're right to be suspicious. The Trump administration has already used AI-altered videos to bear false witness in at least one instance we know of, so it's a good idea to hunt down multiple sources. (That, incidentally, is one reason why it's so important for citizens to film ICE and other so-called "law enforcement" activities in the first place. Multiple sources need to exist.) In this case, the footage is consistent and unequivocal: an execution-style killing took place in cold blood under color of law. But I'm sure that won't always be true.
dugidugout 10mo ago
Sounds like you made your side just fine. The "head or tails" is currently whether one thinks those ICE gunmen should be on that block, with their uniform, and with their orders.
pineaux 10mo ago
checked out your comments. Dont need to know more

pineaux 10mo ago

edit: this was for frumple. I dont know what murder people are referring to, but if its Alex Pretti, I would like to point you to the analysis by Bellingcat, currently posted on reddit. Its clearly a murderous execution of a man that is on his hands and feet. You will not let me choose lies above my own eyes.

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