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Google core business is ads. It is not the same.

by manuelabeledo 9mo ago

hulitu 9mo ago
One should read, carefully, the Apple EULA and TOS.
- manuelabeledo 9mo ago
  Is it worse than Google?
nerdix 9mo ago
Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek. Whichever one you think is worse is really just a reflection of your own personal values. I value computing freedom above all.
- fsflover 9mo ago
  > I value computing freedom above all. So perhaps you should consider switching to GNU/Linux phones.
- JimDabell 9mo ago
  > Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek. Apple’s core business is selling hardware. Their services revenue is not even close to their hardware revenue.
  - mexicocitinluez 9mo ago
    Yes, trapping users into their walled hardware garden so they can rent seek. You buy a phone, and you're forever forced into buying only their peripherals.
    - manuelabeledo 9mo ago
      That’s demonstrably untrue. You could say that there are Apple devices that do not work well or don’t work at all without another Apple device, and off the top of my head I would say the only ones are the Watch and the HomePod, but most alternative devices work fine with Apple ones, e.g Chromecast, Garmin watches, Google Home hubs, etc. And even so, the same could be said about Android only features and devices, e.g. Samsung Watch doesn’t work without an Android phone, Google Earbuds are feature capped on iPhone, etc. IMO, if we are looking at rent seeking behaviors, Google shoving Gemini down the throats of Google Home users, with no chance of rolling back if they don’t like it, is way worse.
      - mexicocitinluez 9mo ago
        Demonstrably not true? What did you do with the 200+ Apple-only charging cables?
        manuelabeledo 9mo ago
        What are you even talking about? The only Apple exclusive connector in recent memory was Lightning, and it’s been phased out. Did you get rid of all your micro USB cables and devices once the transition to USB-C began for Android?
mexicocitinluez 9mo ago
The difference between Apple vs Google is that with Apple you ARE the ad. They don't need advertising when they know people will adopt them and then be forced into their ecosystem.
- manuelabeledo 9mo ago
  I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Even if that was true, my point was that an ad driven business like Google, would be incentivized to monetize all the aspects of my life they could have access to. If that’s not what Apple is doing, compared to Google, then that’s a win I guess?
  - mexicocitinluez 9mo ago
    > would be incentivized to monetize all the aspects of my life they could have access to You're literally describing Apple's business model.
    - manuelabeledo 9mo ago
      That’s false. Google most profitable business line is ads. They profit from literally knowing everything about you, then selling access to that to ad bidders. Apple makes the most money from devices. It is not the same.
- bigstrat2003 9mo ago
  > They don't need advertising Then why is it that they advertise? We just last week had a thread about how the Apple app store is making ads blend in more with organic results. So not only are they advertising to users (which admittedly was news to me), they are engaging in dark patterns to make those ads more enticing. It doesn't seem like being locked into the Apple ecosystem (and paying their tax on hardware) is actually benefiting the users.

Google core business is ads. It is not the same.

hulitu 9mo ago

One should read, carefully, the Apple EULA and TOS.

manuelabeledo 9mo ago
Is it worse than Google?

nerdix 9mo ago

Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek. Whichever one you think is worse is really just a reflection of your own personal values. I value computing freedom above all.

fsflover 9mo ago
> I value computing freedom above all. So perhaps you should consider switching to GNU/Linux phones.
JimDabell 9mo ago
> Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek. Apple’s core business is selling hardware. Their services revenue is not even close to their hardware revenue.
- mexicocitinluez 9mo ago
  Yes, trapping users into their walled hardware garden so they can rent seek. You buy a phone, and you're forever forced into buying only their peripherals.
  - manuelabeledo 9mo ago
    That’s demonstrably untrue. You could say that there are Apple devices that do not work well or don’t work at all without another Apple device, and off the top of my head I would say the only ones are the Watch and the HomePod, but most alternative devices work fine with Apple ones, e.g Chromecast, Garmin watches, Google Home hubs, etc. And even so, the same could be said about Android only features and devices, e.g. Samsung Watch doesn’t work without an Android phone, Google Earbuds are feature capped on iPhone, etc. IMO, if we are looking at rent seeking behaviors, Google shoving Gemini down the throats of Google Home users, with no chance of rolling back if they don’t like it, is way worse.
    - mexicocitinluez 9mo ago
      Demonstrably not true? What did you do with the 200+ Apple-only charging cables?
      - manuelabeledo 9mo ago
        What are you even talking about? The only Apple exclusive connector in recent memory was Lightning, and it’s been phased out. Did you get rid of all your micro USB cables and devices once the transition to USB-C began for Android?

mexicocitinluez 9mo ago

The difference between Apple vs Google is that with Apple you ARE the ad. They don't need advertising when they know people will adopt them and then be forced into their ecosystem.

manuelabeledo 9mo ago
I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Even if that was true, my point was that an ad driven business like Google, would be incentivized to monetize all the aspects of my life they could have access to. If that’s not what Apple is doing, compared to Google, then that’s a win I guess?
- mexicocitinluez 9mo ago
  > would be incentivized to monetize all the aspects of my life they could have access to You're literally describing Apple's business model.
  - manuelabeledo 9mo ago
    That’s false. Google most profitable business line is ads. They profit from literally knowing everything about you, then selling access to that to ad bidders. Apple makes the most money from devices. It is not the same.
bigstrat2003 9mo ago
> They don't need advertising Then why is it that they advertise? We just last week had a thread about how the Apple app store is making ads blend in more with organic results. So not only are they advertising to users (which admittedly was news to me), they are engaging in dark patterns to make those ads more enticing. It doesn't seem like being locked into the Apple ecosystem (and paying their tax on hardware) is actually benefiting the users.