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They are complicated, but standardised and commoditised. Ubiquiti, for example, sells an ONT (fibre modem) in a SFP form factor for US$39 [1], or a little stand

They are complicated, but standardised and commoditised. Ubiquiti, for example, sells an ONT (fibre modem) in a SFP form factor for US$39 [1], or a little standalone unit with an Ethernet port for US$49 [2]. 1. https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/uf-instant https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/uf-i... 2. https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/wave-fiber-onu https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/wave...

direwolf20 9mo ago
For comparison: you can bring your own DOCSIS modem to a cable network, even though all the houses on the street are connected to the same cable and you could jam it, or send a voltage spike to break everyone's modem.
- perching_aix 9mo ago
  Not very familiar with DOCSIS and cable; the story I'm getting from my nearest friendly LLM is that while you could bring your cable modem, it'd have to be a pre-approved model, and that the firmware and configuration would be under ISP control, unlike with DSL modems. Is that wrong?
  - namibj 9mo ago
    In Germany it's wrong.
    - perching_aix 9mo ago
      How does it work in Germany?
      - holowoodman 9mo ago
        You may either rent/buy a device from your ISP, or you may bring your own, at your discretion. ISPs are required to accept all devices, of course if your device kills the network segment, they will kill your connectivity. But they can't refuse to let you connect.
        direwolf20 9mo ago
        What happens if your device connects 1000 volts to the cable and fries everyone else's device and the head-end?
        holowoodman 9mo ago
        You get taken to court and sentenced to pay the damages? Same thing that happens with the TV cable that runs through the whole street. Or the cars parked openly along the road. If you damage it, you pay for it.
      - AndreasTheDead 9mo ago
        Your by law allowed to chose your own hardware.
        perching_aix 9mo ago
        And do they exert any control over the software and configuration on it? That was kinda the crux of it after all.
        namibj 9mo ago
        Controlling your hardware without consent that they legally can't ask for would be illegal hacking. They do however have the right to mandate certain configuration parameters just how they are allowed to mandate you connect something that isn't a noise generator to e.g. a cable TV outlet. Well, being able to limit you to connect devices that conform to some spec.
      - namibj 9mo ago
        By law the demarcation is a passive one; the provider is not allowed to mandate you operate ANY of their active hardware. If they want to sell you internet only via e.g. RJ45 Ethernet they better consider asking your landlord to rent them space and power and Cat.5(+) wiring access to put a switch/router, because by law they can't dump that on you the residential apartment renting customer.
fL0per 9mo ago
Here in Spain it was common to get one of these to replace the ISP ONT: https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/ufiber-loco https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/u... Not that I had the need or anything, but it's similarly priced to the example in 2. Seems to me like maybe they're phasing it out soon?

direwolf20 9mo ago

For comparison: you can bring your own DOCSIS modem to a cable network, even though all the houses on the street are connected to the same cable and you could jam it, or send a voltage spike to break everyone's modem.

perching_aix 9mo ago
Not very familiar with DOCSIS and cable; the story I'm getting from my nearest friendly LLM is that while you could bring your cable modem, it'd have to be a pre-approved model, and that the firmware and configuration would be under ISP control, unlike with DSL modems. Is that wrong?
- namibj 9mo ago
  In Germany it's wrong.
  - perching_aix 9mo ago
    How does it work in Germany?
    - holowoodman 9mo ago
      You may either rent/buy a device from your ISP, or you may bring your own, at your discretion. ISPs are required to accept all devices, of course if your device kills the network segment, they will kill your connectivity. But they can't refuse to let you connect.
      - direwolf20 9mo ago
        What happens if your device connects 1000 volts to the cable and fries everyone else's device and the head-end?
        holowoodman 9mo ago
        You get taken to court and sentenced to pay the damages? Same thing that happens with the TV cable that runs through the whole street. Or the cars parked openly along the road. If you damage it, you pay for it.
    - AndreasTheDead 9mo ago
      Your by law allowed to chose your own hardware.
      - perching_aix 9mo ago
        And do they exert any control over the software and configuration on it? That was kinda the crux of it after all.
        namibj 9mo ago
        Controlling your hardware without consent that they legally can't ask for would be illegal hacking. They do however have the right to mandate certain configuration parameters just how they are allowed to mandate you connect something that isn't a noise generator to e.g. a cable TV outlet. Well, being able to limit you to connect devices that conform to some spec.
    - namibj 9mo ago
      By law the demarcation is a passive one; the provider is not allowed to mandate you operate ANY of their active hardware. If they want to sell you internet only via e.g. RJ45 Ethernet they better consider asking your landlord to rent them space and power and Cat.5(+) wiring access to put a switch/router, because by law they can't dump that on you the residential apartment renting customer.

fL0per 9mo ago

Here in Spain it was common to get one of these to replace the ISP ONT: https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/ufiber-loco https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/fiber-gpon/products/u... Not that I had the need or anything, but it's similarly priced to the example in 2. Seems to me like maybe they're phasing it out soon?