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> It was the second highest voter turnout in US history. My dude, you have seized upon a statistic that, while technically true, is also utterly-effing-meaning

by Terr_ 9mo ago

> It was the second highest voter turnout in US history. My dude, you have seized upon a statistic that, while technically true, is also utterly-effing-meaningless. To illustrate, I've calculated the headlines for other Presidential elections: 1936 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1940 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1944 SECOND HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1948 SECOND HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1952 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1956 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1960 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1964 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1968 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1972 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1976 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1980 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1984 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1988 SECOND HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1992 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 1996 SECOND HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 2000 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 2004 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 2008 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 2012 SECOND HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 2016 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 2020 FIRST HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! 2024 SECOND HIGHEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States...

tock 9mo ago
Percentage. Not total count.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  Except per the link, 2024 is #8 on that list. Not #1.
  - tock 9mo ago
    Use VEP turnout % not VAP. VAP is flawed. And I said #2.
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      Picking the metric where half of them have a `-` blank value seems a bit flawed.
      - tock 9mo ago
        VEP = only counts people who can actually vote. VAP = counts everyone of voting age including people on visas who aren't allowed to vote. We moved to VEP because the % of total population who aren't citizens started to grow rapidly. eg. see 2020 vs 2024. The eligible VAP count increased by 12M but actual VEP count only increased by 2M. edit: looks like there is VEP data for older years though I am guessing its not very accurate: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/voter-turnout/#:~:text=National%20voting%2Deligible%20population%20turnout,demographic%20groups%20from%201986%2Dpresent. https://election.lab.ufl.edu/voter-turnout/#:~:text=National... Looks like the 1800s had much much higher turnout! I guess my statement is only valid for the last 100 years.

by Terr_ 9mo ago

tock 9mo ago

Percentage. Not total count.

ceejayoz 9mo ago
Except per the link, 2024 is #8 on that list. Not #1.
- tock 9mo ago
  Use VEP turnout % not VAP. VAP is flawed. And I said #2.
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    Picking the metric where half of them have a `-` blank value seems a bit flawed.
    - tock 9mo ago
      VEP = only counts people who can actually vote. VAP = counts everyone of voting age including people on visas who aren't allowed to vote. We moved to VEP because the % of total population who aren't citizens started to grow rapidly. eg. see 2020 vs 2024. The eligible VAP count increased by 12M but actual VEP count only increased by 2M. edit: looks like there is VEP data for older years though I am guessing its not very accurate: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/voter-turnout/#:~:text=National%20voting%2Deligible%20population%20turnout,demographic%20groups%20from%201986%2Dpresent. https://election.lab.ufl.edu/voter-turnout/#:~:text=National... Looks like the 1800s had much much higher turnout! I guess my statement is only valid for the last 100 years.