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Poland has a high alertness status for like 5 years now. So there was time to be prepared.

yesturi 9mo ago
There's some news about some psy-op or some damage every couple of days. We hear about "Russian trolls" and influencing the political discourse. I wonder if there is any symmetrical response to this happening. How about unleashing psy-ops and "Western trolls" in Runet? Is Europe in purely defensive mode?
- llbbdd 9mo ago
  Russia is perfectly capable of trashing itself without anyone helping.
- marginalia_nu 9mo ago
  FWIW it seems Russia's trolling activities took a pretty significant hit after Prigozhin fell out of a window in 2023, as the "Internet Research Agency" was one of his ventures.
  - cyanydeez 9mo ago
    Probably just caused outsourcing to india and china.
    - weezing 9mo ago
      It did. There are loads of "Polish" patriots on X located in India.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  I think Europe hasn't developed this kind of political manipulation ability. Europe seems to operate in the mode where as long as the political institutions are still standing, everything is felt to be alright. US democrats also operate in this mode.
- u8080 9mo ago
  EU-based troll farms are for long time in RUnet already (i.e. FRF) along with EU-aligned russian language media who spread certain narratives.
- theshrike79 9mo ago
  It's the openness needed in western societies. The lack of political will to create and fund covert offensive operations over the internet. Russia has had this down for _years_, it's not illegal to hack non-Russian targets, so people do it. They have command and control systems where they can give out tasks like "find me vulnerabilities for Siemens XYZ hardware" and then a team will pick that up and do it. They also practice infiltration, exfiltration and coordination with their attacks. Every kiddie can get in with maximum noise, the truly skilled ones get OUT without leaving any definite traces. And I'm not talking out of my ass: https://youtu.be/jbIR7YVAYnc https://youtu.be/jbIR7YVAYnc - I'm talking out of Marina Krotofil's ass, she's been investigating and dissecting this for a long time.

There's some news about some psy-op or some damage every couple of days. We hear about "Russian trolls" and influencing the political discourse. I wonder if there is any symmetrical response to this happening. How about unleashing psy-ops and "Western trolls" in Runet? Is Europe in purely defensive mode?

llbbdd 9mo ago
Russia is perfectly capable of trashing itself without anyone helping.
marginalia_nu 9mo ago
FWIW it seems Russia's trolling activities took a pretty significant hit after Prigozhin fell out of a window in 2023, as the "Internet Research Agency" was one of his ventures.
- cyanydeez 9mo ago
  Probably just caused outsourcing to india and china.
  - weezing 9mo ago
    It did. There are loads of "Polish" patriots on X located in India.
direwolf20 9mo ago
I think Europe hasn't developed this kind of political manipulation ability. Europe seems to operate in the mode where as long as the political institutions are still standing, everything is felt to be alright. US democrats also operate in this mode.
u8080 9mo ago
EU-based troll farms are for long time in RUnet already (i.e. FRF) along with EU-aligned russian language media who spread certain narratives.
theshrike79 9mo ago
It's the openness needed in western societies. The lack of political will to create and fund covert offensive operations over the internet. Russia has had this down for _years_, it's not illegal to hack non-Russian targets, so people do it. They have command and control systems where they can give out tasks like "find me vulnerabilities for Siemens XYZ hardware" and then a team will pick that up and do it. They also practice infiltration, exfiltration and coordination with their attacks. Every kiddie can get in with maximum noise, the truly skilled ones get OUT without leaving any definite traces. And I'm not talking out of my ass: https://youtu.be/jbIR7YVAYnc https://youtu.be/jbIR7YVAYnc - I'm talking out of Marina Krotofil's ass, she's been investigating and dissecting this for a long time.