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This reads like someone who replaced thinking with the word “creepy” and hit paste until it felt like an opinion. If your critique is just moral panic (and I gu

This reads like someone who replaced thinking with the word “creepy” and hit paste until it felt like an opinion. If your critique is just moral panic (and I guess merch anxiety) you’re not exposing anything … and speaking of merch, their Karp “Dominate” shirt is absolutely killer

tombert 9mo ago
I'm sorry, which forum do you think you're on? This isn't a fucking "publication", it's a discussion forum for a bunch of software geeks. I'm not trying to "expose" anything, I'm saying that when I read about how much crap they do, how much they work with ICE, and how deeply unlikable the CEO is, then yeah they're creepy. It really is just an "opinion", so you trying to call that out shows a lack of comprehension of the forum and honestly the English language as a whole. Frankly, I think the fact that you're so willing to simp for a creepy billionaire and a creepy multi-billion dollar company so much as to call one of their shirts "absolutely killer" says a lot more about you than anything else.
- gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
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  - noitpmeder 9mo ago
    I don't think the sentiment the poster you're interacting with is anything novel or surprising to find on HN. To be honest it's largely the prevailing outlook from what I understand (maybe with some more reserved language) ESPECIALLY for those not intimately connected with SV in America. I'd definitely be having these thoughts a bit more often if I was someone in another country that found out my govt is using their services, even more so with the recent migrate-off-us-tech momentum.
    - gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
      imn a software engineer/entrepreneur .. and i’m british, and that article is about UK public services ... so this isn’t distant or abstract for me .. aslo, SV isnt some monolith I’m disconnected from .. even without living there .. its companies (especially those ones that can be seen from this original poster (imbecile ?) view point as evil have materially shaped my career and opportunities in ways that wouldn’t have existed otherwise .. btw .. you can be skeptical of Palantir or US tech influence without collapsing everything into an us verus them narrative or assuming disagreement maps cleanly to geography ..
      - tombert 9mo ago
        I didn't reduce it to "us vs. them", I said that they and their CEO are creepy. You took that personally because you parasocially love Daddy Alex.
      - hackable_sand 9mo ago
        "entrepreneur" LOL
        gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
        hackable_sand poor lol
        datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
        Yeah sometimes I question the time and effort I give to some comments on this forum, especially when it comes to more nuanced non-programming topics. I’ve seen what some people have to say about programming and it’s appalling… extend that to something on which they’re not even formally educated? Yeesh
        gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
        lol. Losing must suck.
        datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
    - tombert 9mo ago
      I mean, isn't this kind of the point of Palantir? Like don't they want to be known as a technological Big Brother? If they weren't Silicon Valley Big Brother, then why would a government even want to use their service? It feels like they want to have their cake and eat it too; they hate the negative press calling them creepy, but also depend on that press to do their marketing because if they weren't creepy then they wouldn't have a product.
  - tombert 9mo ago
    "Please, senpai Alex, please notice me! I've been so loyal to you!" I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I made the assertion that what Palantir does (and discusses publicly [1] [2] [3]) is "creepy". I'm disappointed in your second grade teacher if you don't know what an "opinion" word is, but I guess I will assume the duty: subjective terms, like "creepy", are terms that typically describe a subjective perspective. As there's no claim of objectivity there's also no need to "prove" this, though it can be justified by specific claims, as were linked below. You are of course free to not think that stuff is creepy, that's fine, but I do think it's creepy and I doubt I'm the only one. I don't accuse everyone who disagrees with me as simping. I'm accusing someone who thinks that a really, really ugly T-Shirt with the word "dominate" written on it as "absolutely killer" of simping. You would not think that that shirt was "killer" if Daddy Alex weren't on there. That or you're one of those "social media consultants" that directly works for Palantir, in which case I have some other, less polite ways to describe you if you'd prefer. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/palantir-delivers-ice-dossier-tool-using-health-data-to-find-deportation-targets/ar-AA1UJOBk https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/palantir-delivers-ice-doss... [2] https://www.thestreet.com/politics/palantir-ceo-makes-another-controversial-statement https://www.thestreet.com/politics/palantir-ceo-makes-anothe... [3] https://www.inverse.com/input/tech/palantir-ceo-alex-karp-says-yes-their-tech-is-used-to-kill-people https://www.inverse.com/input/tech/palantir-ceo-alex-karp-sa...
    - gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
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      - tombert 9mo ago
        > and accusing people of being paid shills I didn't accuse you of being a paid shill, I said if you are a paid shill I have less polite things to call you. I know that Palantir hires people to try and do social media damage control and so it's hard to know where their reach is. > ur not defending an opinion > you’re advertising that you don’t have anything sturdier to stand on, I did provide citations for my opinion. Please feel free to click the links or search for yourself about the specific assertions I made if you'd like; they're not hard to find at all, so you're actively lying when you said "ur not defending an opinion"; just because you were too lazy to click a link does not mean I didn't provide substantiation as to why I think that Alex Karp and Palantir at large is creepy. > "senpai" If you're not a paid shill, then your perspective is considerably more pathetic. You are engaging in behavior that is honestly kind of sad. Again, behavior that is usually described by the term "simp". ETA: For the record, I didn't flag you. I don't really care if you insult me or call me an imbecile, it's far from the worst thing anyone has called me. Replying to your flagged response though: > I though you were just an imbecile, but you seem to be a paranoid one at that .. this is whats really creepy tom. I don't really see how what I said was "paranoid", considering that this all stuff that's directly publicly available, straight from the mouth of Alex Karp. Even if everything else Palantir did was good, I think what I linked is sufficient to determine that they're "creepy". You are of course to not think that Palantir is creepy. I'm not sure why you'd have that opinion, but you're welcome to have it.
  - lm28469 9mo ago
    Your profile paints a clear picture at least, the archetype edgelord techbro. Keep on bringing the high quality comments which are definitely not just your opinions
    - gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
      Thank you kind sir. You sound like a very distinguished and successful person yourself.
popalchemist 9mo ago
The moral panic is justified, if you take 5 minutes to look into what they do, and who's behind it (YC's own neo-nazi billionaire, Peter Theil, of course, who is actively undermining western democracy and norms in conjunction with Trump, his hand-picked puppet JD Vance, and so on). For example, they created the facial recognition database and national surveillance system that ICE is literally currently using to hunt down and kidnap, torture, deport, and murder political dissenters who have previously been recorded taking part in their right to protest. If you are too lazy to Google all of that -- it's all fact, not conjecture -- here's one more thing: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible". -Peter Theil, Palantir founder.
- popalchemist 9mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46756117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46756117

tombert 9mo ago

I'm sorry, which forum do you think you're on? This isn't a fucking "publication", it's a discussion forum for a bunch of software geeks. I'm not trying to "expose" anything, I'm saying that when I read about how much crap they do, how much they work with ICE, and how deeply unlikable the CEO is, then yeah they're creepy. It really is just an "opinion", so you trying to call that out shows a lack of comprehension of the forum and honestly the English language as a whole. Frankly, I think the fact that you're so willing to simp for a creepy billionaire and a creepy multi-billion dollar company so much as to call one of their shirts "absolutely killer" says a lot more about you than anything else.

gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
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- noitpmeder 9mo ago
  I don't think the sentiment the poster you're interacting with is anything novel or surprising to find on HN. To be honest it's largely the prevailing outlook from what I understand (maybe with some more reserved language) ESPECIALLY for those not intimately connected with SV in America. I'd definitely be having these thoughts a bit more often if I was someone in another country that found out my govt is using their services, even more so with the recent migrate-off-us-tech momentum.
  - gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
    imn a software engineer/entrepreneur .. and i’m british, and that article is about UK public services ... so this isn’t distant or abstract for me .. aslo, SV isnt some monolith I’m disconnected from .. even without living there .. its companies (especially those ones that can be seen from this original poster (imbecile ?) view point as evil have materially shaped my career and opportunities in ways that wouldn’t have existed otherwise .. btw .. you can be skeptical of Palantir or US tech influence without collapsing everything into an us verus them narrative or assuming disagreement maps cleanly to geography ..
    - tombert 9mo ago
      I didn't reduce it to "us vs. them", I said that they and their CEO are creepy. You took that personally because you parasocially love Daddy Alex.
    - hackable_sand 9mo ago
      "entrepreneur" LOL
      - gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
        hackable_sand poor lol
      - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
        Yeah sometimes I question the time and effort I give to some comments on this forum, especially when it comes to more nuanced non-programming topics. I’ve seen what some people have to say about programming and it’s appalling… extend that to something on which they’re not even formally educated? Yeesh
        gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
        lol. Losing must suck.
        datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
  - tombert 9mo ago
    I mean, isn't this kind of the point of Palantir? Like don't they want to be known as a technological Big Brother? If they weren't Silicon Valley Big Brother, then why would a government even want to use their service? It feels like they want to have their cake and eat it too; they hate the negative press calling them creepy, but also depend on that press to do their marketing because if they weren't creepy then they wouldn't have a product.
- tombert 9mo ago
  "Please, senpai Alex, please notice me! I've been so loyal to you!" I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I made the assertion that what Palantir does (and discusses publicly [1] [2] [3]) is "creepy". I'm disappointed in your second grade teacher if you don't know what an "opinion" word is, but I guess I will assume the duty: subjective terms, like "creepy", are terms that typically describe a subjective perspective. As there's no claim of objectivity there's also no need to "prove" this, though it can be justified by specific claims, as were linked below. You are of course free to not think that stuff is creepy, that's fine, but I do think it's creepy and I doubt I'm the only one. I don't accuse everyone who disagrees with me as simping. I'm accusing someone who thinks that a really, really ugly T-Shirt with the word "dominate" written on it as "absolutely killer" of simping. You would not think that that shirt was "killer" if Daddy Alex weren't on there. That or you're one of those "social media consultants" that directly works for Palantir, in which case I have some other, less polite ways to describe you if you'd prefer. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/palantir-delivers-ice-dossier-tool-using-health-data-to-find-deportation-targets/ar-AA1UJOBk https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/palantir-delivers-ice-doss... [2] https://www.thestreet.com/politics/palantir-ceo-makes-another-controversial-statement https://www.thestreet.com/politics/palantir-ceo-makes-anothe... [3] https://www.inverse.com/input/tech/palantir-ceo-alex-karp-says-yes-their-tech-is-used-to-kill-people https://www.inverse.com/input/tech/palantir-ceo-alex-karp-sa...
  - gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
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    - tombert 9mo ago
      > and accusing people of being paid shills I didn't accuse you of being a paid shill, I said if you are a paid shill I have less polite things to call you. I know that Palantir hires people to try and do social media damage control and so it's hard to know where their reach is. > ur not defending an opinion > you’re advertising that you don’t have anything sturdier to stand on, I did provide citations for my opinion. Please feel free to click the links or search for yourself about the specific assertions I made if you'd like; they're not hard to find at all, so you're actively lying when you said "ur not defending an opinion"; just because you were too lazy to click a link does not mean I didn't provide substantiation as to why I think that Alex Karp and Palantir at large is creepy. > "senpai" If you're not a paid shill, then your perspective is considerably more pathetic. You are engaging in behavior that is honestly kind of sad. Again, behavior that is usually described by the term "simp". ETA: For the record, I didn't flag you. I don't really care if you insult me or call me an imbecile, it's far from the worst thing anyone has called me. Replying to your flagged response though: > I though you were just an imbecile, but you seem to be a paranoid one at that .. this is whats really creepy tom. I don't really see how what I said was "paranoid", considering that this all stuff that's directly publicly available, straight from the mouth of Alex Karp. Even if everything else Palantir did was good, I think what I linked is sufficient to determine that they're "creepy". You are of course to not think that Palantir is creepy. I'm not sure why you'd have that opinion, but you're welcome to have it.
- lm28469 9mo ago
  Your profile paints a clear picture at least, the archetype edgelord techbro. Keep on bringing the high quality comments which are definitely not just your opinions
  - gyanchawdhary 9mo ago
    Thank you kind sir. You sound like a very distinguished and successful person yourself.

popalchemist 9mo ago

The moral panic is justified, if you take 5 minutes to look into what they do, and who's behind it (YC's own neo-nazi billionaire, Peter Theil, of course, who is actively undermining western democracy and norms in conjunction with Trump, his hand-picked puppet JD Vance, and so on). For example, they created the facial recognition database and national surveillance system that ICE is literally currently using to hunt down and kidnap, torture, deport, and murder political dissenters who have previously been recorded taking part in their right to protest. If you are too lazy to Google all of that -- it's all fact, not conjecture -- here's one more thing: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible". -Peter Theil, Palantir founder.

popalchemist 9mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46756117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46756117