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I for one am enjoying my last few months of Windows 10, stable, responsive, no surprise updates at last.

by z2 9mo ago

gruez 9mo ago
Windows 10 is still supported until 2032 if you use LTSC
- userbinator 9mo ago
  Even without MS' support it'll still work fine. In fact, it's arguably better that way. The old saying about known unknowns vs. unknown unknowns comes to mind.
  - Zetaphor 9mo ago
    The support you're paying for is security updates against 0-day attacks. Once you stop receiving those then your machine becomes open season for botnets
    - userbinator 9mo ago
      That is pure FUD. Machines behind a firewall are not going to be affected at all.
      - artificialLimbs 9mo ago
        As long as you don’t run that one file.
        agadius 9mo ago
        Microsoft security patches doesn’t protect you from doing that. Unsupported Win 10 behind firewall is perfectly fine, as long as you use an updated browser
        tech234a 9mo ago
        Even that won't last forever. Notably, Edge is only guaranteeing updates until October 2028 [1], coinciding with the end of Windows 10's 3-year ESU period. Previously, Chromium ended support for Windows 7 at the end of its ESU period (which was also the end of support for Windows 8.1) [2]. However, Firefox continues to support Windows 7/8.1 by providing security updates for an older ESR version of Firefox 115; they appear to be re-evaluating whether to continue support every 6 months, currently set to end in March 2026. [1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-supported-operating-systems https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-... [2]: https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/185534985/sunsetting-support-for-windows-7-8-1-in-early-2023 https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/185534985/sunsettin... [3]: https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr
        userbinator 9mo ago
        I have patched Firefox 115 to run on XP, so no doubt it would be much easier to continue doing it for something as new as Win10.
      - Bluecobra 9mo ago
        I’m not so sure if you are using a web browser. Even the best enterprise firewall with SSL decryption and the best whizz bang features probably wouldn’t stop some novel zero day RCE. WannaCry was so bad that even WinXP and Server 2000/2003 got updates.
      - Zetaphor 8mo ago
        Ah yes, everyone knows that a firewall is the ultimate defense against malware and software vulnerabilities. I'll see your firewall and raise you one web browser.
    - somat 9mo ago
      By definition no support protects you from a zero day attack, A one day attack? sure if the supporting org is on their toes. Most of the time it will be weeks to months. if it is patched at all.
      - gruez 9mo ago
        >A one day attack? sure if the supporting org is on their toes. Most of the time it will be weeks to months. if it is patched at all. You should look at the CVE list that's fixed every month. Surely you agree it's important to have those exploits patched, especially since baddies can reverse engineer the patches to find the original exploits?
        somat 9mo ago
        Yes, but they can only be analyzed, patched and distributed "After" the attack is known. A zero day attack is where there have been zero days since the attack mechanism is discovered(by the victim, not the attacker obviously), there is no after. There is no time for a fix to be developed. When you get hit one day after the attack vector is known that would be a one day attack. if you get a fix one day after the attack that would be a one day patch. If the vulnerability gets discovered and patched before the attack occurs, then there is no zero day attack. only multi day ones on people who did not get or apply the patch.
  - keyringlight 9mo ago
    As someone mentioned upthread, that's fine until some software you rely upon starts using something not present on older versions. It's one of the points that I keep in mind with most "what OS?" discussions, the OS by itself isn't really that useful but what it lets you do is. When win7 +3 year extended support ended that was the time chromium framework dropped support, and when projects using it updated then they would also need to drop win7 support (or "your mileage may vary" territory). I expect 2028 onwards may see another gradual win10 migration wave.
john01dav 9mo ago
If you want stable, responsive, and old, use Debian, possibly with XFCE. Then, you have patches for security issues too.
lawn 9mo ago
I for one been enjoying Linux for years. No surprise updates or AI slop forced down my throat.

I for one am enjoying my last few months of Windows 10, stable, responsive, no surprise updates at last.

by z2 9mo ago

I for one am enjoying my last few months of Windows 10, stable, responsive, no surprise updates at last.

gruez 9mo ago

Windows 10 is still supported until 2032 if you use LTSC

userbinator 9mo ago
Even without MS' support it'll still work fine. In fact, it's arguably better that way. The old saying about known unknowns vs. unknown unknowns comes to mind.
- Zetaphor 9mo ago
  The support you're paying for is security updates against 0-day attacks. Once you stop receiving those then your machine becomes open season for botnets
  - userbinator 9mo ago
    That is pure FUD. Machines behind a firewall are not going to be affected at all.
    - artificialLimbs 9mo ago
      As long as you don’t run that one file.
      - agadius 9mo ago
        Microsoft security patches doesn’t protect you from doing that. Unsupported Win 10 behind firewall is perfectly fine, as long as you use an updated browser
        tech234a 9mo ago
        Even that won't last forever. Notably, Edge is only guaranteeing updates until October 2028 [1], coinciding with the end of Windows 10's 3-year ESU period. Previously, Chromium ended support for Windows 7 at the end of its ESU period (which was also the end of support for Windows 8.1) [2]. However, Firefox continues to support Windows 7/8.1 by providing security updates for an older ESR version of Firefox 115; they appear to be re-evaluating whether to continue support every 6 months, currently set to end in March 2026. [1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-supported-operating-systems https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-... [2]: https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/185534985/sunsetting-support-for-windows-7-8-1-in-early-2023 https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/185534985/sunsettin... [3]: https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr
        userbinator 9mo ago
        I have patched Firefox 115 to run on XP, so no doubt it would be much easier to continue doing it for something as new as Win10.
    - Bluecobra 9mo ago
      I’m not so sure if you are using a web browser. Even the best enterprise firewall with SSL decryption and the best whizz bang features probably wouldn’t stop some novel zero day RCE. WannaCry was so bad that even WinXP and Server 2000/2003 got updates.
    - Zetaphor 8mo ago
      Ah yes, everyone knows that a firewall is the ultimate defense against malware and software vulnerabilities. I'll see your firewall and raise you one web browser.
  - somat 9mo ago
    By definition no support protects you from a zero day attack, A one day attack? sure if the supporting org is on their toes. Most of the time it will be weeks to months. if it is patched at all.
    - gruez 9mo ago
      >A one day attack? sure if the supporting org is on their toes. Most of the time it will be weeks to months. if it is patched at all. You should look at the CVE list that's fixed every month. Surely you agree it's important to have those exploits patched, especially since baddies can reverse engineer the patches to find the original exploits?
      - somat 9mo ago
        Yes, but they can only be analyzed, patched and distributed "After" the attack is known. A zero day attack is where there have been zero days since the attack mechanism is discovered(by the victim, not the attacker obviously), there is no after. There is no time for a fix to be developed. When you get hit one day after the attack vector is known that would be a one day attack. if you get a fix one day after the attack that would be a one day patch. If the vulnerability gets discovered and patched before the attack occurs, then there is no zero day attack. only multi day ones on people who did not get or apply the patch.
- keyringlight 9mo ago
  As someone mentioned upthread, that's fine until some software you rely upon starts using something not present on older versions. It's one of the points that I keep in mind with most "what OS?" discussions, the OS by itself isn't really that useful but what it lets you do is. When win7 +3 year extended support ended that was the time chromium framework dropped support, and when projects using it updated then they would also need to drop win7 support (or "your mileage may vary" territory). I expect 2028 onwards may see another gradual win10 migration wave.

john01dav 9mo ago

If you want stable, responsive, and old, use Debian, possibly with XFCE. Then, you have patches for security issues too.

lawn 9mo ago

I for one been enjoying Linux for years. No surprise updates or AI slop forced down my throat.