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There's one. It's Signal. I keep telling people to use it and they keep not, because people are less likely to do things if they've been told they should do the

There's one. It's Signal. I keep telling people to use it and they keep not, because people are less likely to do things if they've been told they should do them.

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swiftcoder 10mo ago
Without interoperability with the chat platform all the regular people are already using, that's always going to be an uphill battle. I use Signal to communicate with other tech folks, but good luck convincing your dentist/doctor/etc to send reminders on signal instead of WhatsApp.
- sunshowers 10mo ago
  I talk to one of my doctors over Signal.
j1elo 10mo ago
To add a datapoint I can share mine: it's me who would be in a position to bootstrap the change in my circles, but I wouldn't use or recommend Signal as Whatsapp replacement until the core features are on parity, including history backups, which have always been a lagging userstory for Signal. I think they have different (and somewhat opposing, even) targets, Signal wants to be extremely privacy protecting, and it's a disservice to their goals to sell them as a replacement for WhatsApp, because they're not.
- mhitza 10mo ago
  BTW Signal has a backup feature in the client (beta). Though can't say more about how it works since its a feature I do not need.
jhasse 10mo ago
Signal is so much worse than WhatsApp from a UX perspective. Backup sync forces you to allow background permissions (WhatsApp doesn't), you have to set and get nagged to enter a PIN every few weeks (WhatsApp doesn't), there's no transcription for audio messages (WhatsApp has that for some languages), the desktop app loses its connection if you don't open it ever few weeks (WhatsApp works fine), etc. If you want people to switch, recommend Telegram.
- maqp 10mo ago
  >If you want people to switch, recommend Telegram. Why would people switch from always-end-to-end encrypted group chats to never-end-to-end encrypted group chats?
  - jhasse 10mo ago
    Because they don't even know what e2e encryption is.
- expedition32 10mo ago
  My circle switched to Signal because we are concerned about tech bros and a fascist America. Boosting Russia is not the solution.
  - wolvoleo 10mo ago
    Telegram is not Russian. In fact Putin hates Pavel Durov.
- Batman8675309 10mo ago
  Yes. Let's switch to an app with Russian connections that has actively refused to implement E2EE for over a decade now.
  - jhasse 10mo ago
    Russian connections is FUD and Telegram has E2EE encryption, but not by default.

There's one. It's Signal. I keep telling people to use it and they keep not, because people are less likely to do things if they've been told they should do them.

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swiftcoder 10mo ago

Without interoperability with the chat platform all the regular people are already using, that's always going to be an uphill battle. I use Signal to communicate with other tech folks, but good luck convincing your dentist/doctor/etc to send reminders on signal instead of WhatsApp.

sunshowers 10mo ago
I talk to one of my doctors over Signal.

j1elo 10mo ago

To add a datapoint I can share mine: it's me who would be in a position to bootstrap the change in my circles, but I wouldn't use or recommend Signal as Whatsapp replacement until the core features are on parity, including history backups, which have always been a lagging userstory for Signal. I think they have different (and somewhat opposing, even) targets, Signal wants to be extremely privacy protecting, and it's a disservice to their goals to sell them as a replacement for WhatsApp, because they're not.

mhitza 10mo ago
BTW Signal has a backup feature in the client (beta). Though can't say more about how it works since its a feature I do not need.

jhasse 10mo ago

Signal is so much worse than WhatsApp from a UX perspective. Backup sync forces you to allow background permissions (WhatsApp doesn't), you have to set and get nagged to enter a PIN every few weeks (WhatsApp doesn't), there's no transcription for audio messages (WhatsApp has that for some languages), the desktop app loses its connection if you don't open it ever few weeks (WhatsApp works fine), etc. If you want people to switch, recommend Telegram.

maqp 10mo ago
>If you want people to switch, recommend Telegram. Why would people switch from always-end-to-end encrypted group chats to never-end-to-end encrypted group chats?
- jhasse 10mo ago
  Because they don't even know what e2e encryption is.
expedition32 10mo ago
My circle switched to Signal because we are concerned about tech bros and a fascist America. Boosting Russia is not the solution.
- wolvoleo 10mo ago
  Telegram is not Russian. In fact Putin hates Pavel Durov.
Batman8675309 10mo ago
Yes. Let's switch to an app with Russian connections that has actively refused to implement E2EE for over a decade now.
- jhasse 10mo ago
  Russian connections is FUD and Telegram has E2EE encryption, but not by default.