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Does Europe overall feel and act like that’s the case though? It seems as if the European war has been pushed to the background recently, and most people kind
by rdtsc 9mo ago
Does Europe overall feel and act like that’s the case though?
It seems as if the European war has been pushed to the background recently, and most people kind of forgot about it. If you walk down the streets of Paris or Berlin does it look like it’s wartime, do people talk about it much, do they share the latest front news and so on?
- joe_mamba 9mo ago>If you walk down the streets of Paris or Berlin does it look like it’s wartime, Like what exactly would you want them to do? Run around screaming all day because there's a war in another country 2000 km away from them? No, people just go on with their lives, doing their jobs, taking care of family and friends, paying their taxes, so that specialized workers in the ministry of defence can take care of the war stuff for them. That's how modern society works. It's even similar in Kiev, when you walk down the streets you see people living their lives. Gyms, bars, cafes, clubs are full and lively. People don't stop living and enjoying their daily lives just because there's shelling somewhere else in the country.
- koiueo 9mo agoKyiv. And "enjoying their daily lives" diminishes real tragedies of Ukrainians' daily lives.
- joe_mamba 9mo agoI beg to differ. Calling going out to a gym, cafe, club or a bar during wartime, as anything other than enjoying life, diminishes the real tragedy of those who are fighting on the front line and don't enjoy such leisure activities. Some people are fortunate enough that they can still get to enjoy life even if their country is in a war, as just like in every war ever, not everyone is affected equally.
- TheOtherHobbes 9mo agoI wasn't aware gym membership could bring 2,500 Ukrainian civilians back from the dead.
- joe_mamba 9mo agoYou aren't aware, because you're making stupid analogies in bad faith that have nothing to do with what I'm saying.
- koiueo 9mo ago> not everyone is affected equally I agree. However if we talk about Kyiv, I'd like to remind you that electricity is available 2-4 hours per day, in some regions there has been no water nor heating for the last week. Everyone I know are extremely stressed, and if anyone visits their gym, it's not to enjoy life, but to not slip into total despair.
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- jsrcout 9mo ago> It's even similar in Kiev, when you walk down the streets you see people living their lives. Gyms, bars, cafes, clubs are full and lively. People don't stop living and enjoying their daily lives just because there's shelling somewhere else in the country. While it's true to a certain degree, you make it sound like Kyiv residents are having a grand old time right now. But in reality, the majority are trying very hard to keep from freezing to death as Russian attacks targeting their power and heating infrastructure have destroyed much of it.
- joe_mamba 9mo ago>While it's true to a certain degree, you make it sound like Kyiv residents are having a grand old time right now. I am not. You choose to interpret it that way.
- rdtsc 9mo agoSince we’re going with Kyiv equivalence, presumably there not air raid sirens, veterans coming back from war, mobilization vans grabbing people from the streets. I just don’t see how “Kyiv is the exact same way” is plausible. > Like what exactly would you want them to do? Run around screaming all day And I didn’t suggest they should “do something or other” I was wondering what the situation was since I am not there in person and figured enough HNers might be.
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- _zagj 9mo agoIn fairness, a large chunk of those immigrants to France were "Pied Noirs" and other diaspora from its former colonial possessions, e.g., Indochina.
- RobotToaster 9mo agoIt wasn't Iran that bombed Afghanistan, Libya, and Iraq[0]. Gadaffi warned that Libya was the only thing stopping most migrants reaching Europe. [0] at least recently
- postepowanieadm 9mo agoBerlin recently had a blackdown caused by domestic terrorists.
- rdtsc 9mo agoIs everyone talking about domestic terrorism or Putin and the war in Ukraine? Or are you thinking the domestic terrorism is not that domestic and it’s Putin doing it?
- ben_w 9mo agoIMO both recent cuts were at minimum funded and encouraged by Russia. But the conversations I've seen here in Berlin that discuss the power cuts can be enumerated using only thumbs, and we've had quite a few severe weather warnings vs two power failure warnings. There's also occasional anti-NATO "stop the war" marches, and some longer-duration pro-Ukraine vigils above the Brandenburger Tor U-Bahn station.