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"My email is now being hosted by Microsoft..." Out of the pan, into the fire. my recommendation: i've been happily using fastmail for years.

by throw7 8mo ago

andrewchilds 8mo ago
Maybe it’s just me, but I have serious issue with Fastmail’s spam filtering. Meaning, it seems that I am the spam filter. I find myself considering closing the account on a regular basis because of it. I am also extremely frustrated with Gmail’s AI features now being apparently impossible to disable.
- rationalist 8mo ago
  Fastmail's spam filter has been better than Gmail's spam filter in my experience.
- tamimio 8mo ago
  Thier spam filter is really great, probably only one time they flagged a legit email as a spam. On the other hand, the email I have that uses fastmail never ended in someone’s spam.
- sph 8mo ago
  > Fastmail’s spam filtering I had issues with it early on, and after some back and forth with support they explained to me what is going on: it takes about 200 spam emails before your personalized filter kicks in, before that you might see something slip through. Also, the spam filter updates after you delete emails from your spam folder. Just remember to empty your spam folder, and add some custom rules until you reach that 200 threshold. 5+ years in, everything is working great, nothing to complain, best email provider I've ever used. I only wish they had servers in the EU.
  - aeurielesn 8mo ago
    This has been my number one request for fastmail for years. They're happy with GDPR compliance but no intentions of having EU servers.
ziml77 8mo ago
Seconding Fastmail here. Microsoft is an insane choice, just look at what they've done with Windows and their Office suite.
autoexec 8mo ago
Yeah I laughed when I saw he'd moved to MS, but I'd love to get some more alternatives. My ISP has already said they're going to stop providing email service at some point in the near future and I'll have to migrate at some point. In the past I'd picked up a cheap domain and self-hosted for a bit, but I'd love to not have to. Any good email providers out there that actually respect their customers and support IMAP?
- drcongo 8mo ago
  I moved my personal email from Google a few years ago to https://inbox.eu https://inbox.eu which was by far the cheapest option for mailboxes for the whole family on custom domains etc. They've been very solid, I have no regrets. Their spam filtering has been a little hit and miss but other than that, solid. Work email is moving from Google to https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/ksuite-pro https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/ksuite-pro - if you're not bothered about custom domains, they also offer an excellent free tier for personal use: https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/myksuite https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/myksuite
  - autoexec 8mo ago
    It looks like inbox.eu does sell your data and/or use it to push personalized ads. If I'm paying for something I don't want ads and I'd really prefer that whoever I pay weren't reading my personal mail for things to use against me.
  - wolvoleo 8mo ago
    I tried to get the free tier but even when I select personal it only offers me paid options. Very weird and it feels misleading because they advertise free so much. I just wanted to try it out with an intent to subscribe but I left it because of that.
- input_sh 8mo ago
  Purchase a domain and point the MX record(s) to any provider you'd like. If you end up not liking that provider, you simply point the domain to a different one. That's the main advantage of not using the provider's domain as a part of your email address (like @gmail.com, @outlook.com or whatever).
publicdebates 8mo ago
Have you considered using AWS WorkMail? Very easy to set up, even helps you with MX/DKIM/DMARC/SPF if you use Route53, and only $4/month/user I believe. Granted, you won't get anywhere near Google's level of automatic credibility, but even that is relatively low for young gmail accounts.
- veqq 8mo ago
  > $4/month/user My VPS host lets me use hundreds of emails for like $7/month besides the actual hosting. Of course, Microsoft charges even more for a single...
- cui 8mo ago
  I thought it's meant for business usage. Why are you interested in WorkMail compared to other million email products?
goodpoint 8mo ago
"My email is now being hosted by Microsoft..." Please tell me this is parody.
vondur 8mo ago
Pretty much lost me at that point.
ntoskrnl_exe 8mo ago
I tried using Hotmail as my primary for a while a few years ago and I've never seen more legitimate mail being entirely dropped with no explanation. It would never reach the inbox, it wouldn't be in the junk folder, it was as if the other party had never even sent it, despite assuring me they had. Never had that happen with Gmail or really any other mail service out there.

"My email is now being hosted by Microsoft..." Out of the pan, into the fire. my recommendation: i've been happily using fastmail for years.

by throw7 8mo ago

"My email is now being hosted by Microsoft..." Out of the pan, into the fire. my recommendation: i've been happily using fastmail for years.

andrewchilds 8mo ago

Maybe it’s just me, but I have serious issue with Fastmail’s spam filtering. Meaning, it seems that I am the spam filter. I find myself considering closing the account on a regular basis because of it. I am also extremely frustrated with Gmail’s AI features now being apparently impossible to disable.

rationalist 8mo ago
Fastmail's spam filter has been better than Gmail's spam filter in my experience.
tamimio 8mo ago
Thier spam filter is really great, probably only one time they flagged a legit email as a spam. On the other hand, the email I have that uses fastmail never ended in someone’s spam.
sph 8mo ago
> Fastmail’s spam filtering I had issues with it early on, and after some back and forth with support they explained to me what is going on: it takes about 200 spam emails before your personalized filter kicks in, before that you might see something slip through. Also, the spam filter updates after you delete emails from your spam folder. Just remember to empty your spam folder, and add some custom rules until you reach that 200 threshold. 5+ years in, everything is working great, nothing to complain, best email provider I've ever used. I only wish they had servers in the EU.
- aeurielesn 8mo ago
  This has been my number one request for fastmail for years. They're happy with GDPR compliance but no intentions of having EU servers.

ziml77 8mo ago

Seconding Fastmail here. Microsoft is an insane choice, just look at what they've done with Windows and their Office suite.

autoexec 8mo ago

Yeah I laughed when I saw he'd moved to MS, but I'd love to get some more alternatives. My ISP has already said they're going to stop providing email service at some point in the near future and I'll have to migrate at some point. In the past I'd picked up a cheap domain and self-hosted for a bit, but I'd love to not have to. Any good email providers out there that actually respect their customers and support IMAP?

drcongo 8mo ago
I moved my personal email from Google a few years ago to https://inbox.eu https://inbox.eu which was by far the cheapest option for mailboxes for the whole family on custom domains etc. They've been very solid, I have no regrets. Their spam filtering has been a little hit and miss but other than that, solid. Work email is moving from Google to https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/ksuite-pro https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/ksuite-pro - if you're not bothered about custom domains, they also offer an excellent free tier for personal use: https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/myksuite https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/myksuite
- autoexec 8mo ago
  It looks like inbox.eu does sell your data and/or use it to push personalized ads. If I'm paying for something I don't want ads and I'd really prefer that whoever I pay weren't reading my personal mail for things to use against me.
- wolvoleo 8mo ago
  I tried to get the free tier but even when I select personal it only offers me paid options. Very weird and it feels misleading because they advertise free so much. I just wanted to try it out with an intent to subscribe but I left it because of that.
input_sh 8mo ago
Purchase a domain and point the MX record(s) to any provider you'd like. If you end up not liking that provider, you simply point the domain to a different one. That's the main advantage of not using the provider's domain as a part of your email address (like @gmail.com, @outlook.com or whatever).

publicdebates 8mo ago

Have you considered using AWS WorkMail? Very easy to set up, even helps you with MX/DKIM/DMARC/SPF if you use Route53, and only $4/month/user I believe. Granted, you won't get anywhere near Google's level of automatic credibility, but even that is relatively low for young gmail accounts.

veqq 8mo ago
> $4/month/user My VPS host lets me use hundreds of emails for like $7/month besides the actual hosting. Of course, Microsoft charges even more for a single...
cui 8mo ago
I thought it's meant for business usage. Why are you interested in WorkMail compared to other million email products?

goodpoint 8mo ago

"My email is now being hosted by Microsoft..." Please tell me this is parody.

vondur 8mo ago

Pretty much lost me at that point.

ntoskrnl_exe 8mo ago

I tried using Hotmail as my primary for a while a few years ago and I've never seen more legitimate mail being entirely dropped with no explanation. It would never reach the inbox, it wouldn't be in the junk folder, it was as if the other party had never even sent it, despite assuring me they had. Never had that happen with Gmail or really any other mail service out there.