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Who shoot exactly ? i don't understand anything (not sarcasm, i'm in the airport and can't make sense of the vid)

Tadpole9181 9mo ago
The guy was filming ice, they started pushing some other person so he got in between them. They threw him to the ground, where three men pinned his hands down. Another pulled out his pepper spray can, then started beating the victim in the face repeatedly. At the same time, a fifth agent pats him down. He finds a gun (legally purchased and the MN police have said he was permitted to carry). They remove the firearm and walk away. Then one of the officers yells "he has a gun" and shoots him point blank. Then another officer fires, which looks to kill him and he drops face-down and the officers back away. Finally, one more pulls out his firearm and puts 9 into the back of the victim's corpse - guaranteeing he can't be saved
silexia 9mo ago
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- _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
  ICE are not police officers, or even traditional law enforcement officers.
  - B1FIDO 9mo ago
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    - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
      Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It is separate from law enforcement with different rules, training, and authority. They enforcement a subset of rules/law. They are not law enforcement in the general sense law enforcement is thought of, no more than Parking Enforcement. For example they can't pull someone over for breaking the law. They don't have authority to enforce all laws, only immigration and customs, and they have much more limited authority to carrying out their duties than REAL law enforcement. They are immigrations and customs enforcement, not law enforcement. Their minimal training period and requirements indicates as such. The delegated authority of what they are allowed to do indicates as much. But keep building them up to be something more to justify murder of Americans on the streets. Sorry you don't understand American civics.
      - B1FIDO 9mo ago
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        grumio 9mo ago
        And yet the videos show that they didn't enforce the law. It's right there in the videos.
        B1FIDO 9mo ago
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        grumio 9mo ago
        You're welcome. Happy to see evidence and call it like it is. I trust my eyes over billionare-funded Fox News and authority figures, which is your perspective I could get anywhere.
        B1FIDO 9mo ago
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        grumio 9mo ago
        Welcome to the free marketplace of ideas, dude. Talk about the issue I'm talking about instead of ranting on some vague generalization about how "believing your own eyes" is bad sometimes, thus is always bad??? If someone were talking disprovable nonsense about fairies, it would be totally fair to bring up counter-evidence. This comment of yours is substanceless.
    - Hikikomori 9mo ago
      They would need some kind of training to be an officer. Like almost all police in America they're state sanctioned armed thugs, though ice have even less training and are more racist.
      - B1FIDO 9mo ago
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        lovich 9mo ago
        "sponsored"? Can you run through the rest of your script and get past the Soros bucks part, it's boring at this point.
        B1FIDO 9mo ago
        https://youtu.be/3V65_L3sCMI?si=HushHA5YdZNJsUAk https://youtu.be/3V65_L3sCMI?si=HushHA5YdZNJsUAk
        defrost 9mo ago
        Your source is a News Corp opinion piece ? When that talks about "lawless behaviour", it shows citizens standing on public sidewalks speaking freely (not illegal), when it asserts that citizens of MN are "funded by shadowy networks" it offers no proof to that assertion, etc.
        lovich 9mo ago
        Of course he did. Facts don’t care about _your_ feelings. That doesn’t mean facts don’t care about _their_ feelings.
        bigyabai 9mo ago
        That is a WSJ opinion piece, it is not a meaningful comparison of US lobbying spend separated by party. Political lobbying is an American problem and most assuredly not limited to democrats. For example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/788056/us-oil-and-gas-lobbying-spend-by-party/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/788056/us-oil-and-gas-lo...
    - ajross 9mo ago
      Seems like the "I" and "C" might be more relevant? For hundreds of years of civil jurisprudence, enforcing immigration and customs has not involved shooting non-smuggling citizens in the back. Or face. We all know what's happening here. And sincere application of relevant visa and trade laws is not it. ICE are brown shirts. Their job is to terrorize the Designated Enemies of the State.
  - nomel 9mo ago
    Please note, a question does not imply an opinion. Could you provide a reference for them not being federal law enforcement officers (specifically immigration law)? I've seen this mentioned several times, but can only find evidence that they are. For example Cornel Law [1]: > The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). > CE’s primary mission is to promote homeland security and public safety through criminal and civil enforcement of federal laws governing border control, customs, trade, and immigration. Even PBS is reporting them as such [2]: > Federal law gives immigration agents the authority to arrest and detain people believed to have violated immigration law. > "All law enforcement officers, including ICE, are bound by the Constitution," said Alexandra Lopez, managing partner of a Chicago-based law firm specializing in immigration cases. And USC 1357 seems to make this indisputable [3], but IANAL. All the sources I could find that say they aren't law enforcement are questionable, and aren't related to interpreting law. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration_and_customs_enforcement_(ice) https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration_and_customs_enfo... [2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-legal-rights-do-you-have-in-encounters-with-ice-legal-experts-weigh-in https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-legal-rights-do-you... [3] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1357%20edition:prelim) https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1...
    - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
      18 USC § 115(c)(1) (1) “Federal law enforcement officer” means any officer, agent, or employee of the United States authorized by law or by a Government agency to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of Federal criminal law; HSI special agents have authority to investigate violations across multiple federal statutes including immigration law (Title 8), customs law (Title 19), general federal crimes (Title 18), and the Controlled Substances Act (Title 21). But who we think of as ICE aren't HSI special agents. Enforcement and Removal Operations (normal ICE agents) do not have this authority and are not Law Enforcement under 18 because they are enforcing administrative removal or civil immigration status violations which are civil proceedings, not Federal Criminal Law violations. Someone whose role is limited to civil or administrative enforcement of immigration status (without authority to enforce federal criminal law) would not, on the face of the statutory language alone, qualify under § 115(c)(1). -------------------------------------------------------- Separately, when you fly at an airport, TSA are enforcing a subsection of travel laws (just like ICE enforces a subsection of immigration and customs law), but they are not 'law enforcement' as shown here: https://jobs.tsa.gov/law-enforcement https://jobs.tsa.gov/law-enforcement Actual law enforcement is a seperate arm, the Federal Air Marshal Service. You can carry out targeted subsections of the law without being actual law enforcement. ICE training has been reduced from 5 months to eight weeks. Law enforcement training was 16 weeks on it's own previously. There is zero possibility they are receiving law enforcement training in 8 weeks. There are now rumors training has been reduced to six weeks (ICE fails to update what their current training program is). I would note that training does not mean they are law enforcement (many Prosecutors and others attend Law Enforcement training) that type of training just means that they understand the system. You would not be able to cut ACTUAL law enforcement training in half (or more in this case) if someone is an ACTUAL law enforcement officer. Complete Law Enforcement training would be a REQUIREMENT of an ACTUAL Law Enforcement job, not something optional that can just be cut out. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/new-ice-recruits-showed-training-full-vetting-rcna238739 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/new-ice-recruit... https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2026/01/ice-more-doubled-its-workforce-2025/410461/ https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2026/01/ice-more-doubled-i... -------------------------- In addition, 8 CFR § 287.8 - Standards for enforcement activities requires " The following immigration officers who have successfully completed basic immigration law enforcement training are hereby authorized and designated to exercise the power conferred". It can be argued current ICE training does not meet this requirement of Federal law to qualify and they are only authorized for not law enforcement civil immigration enforcement.
- Capricorn2481 9mo ago
  You described a process that did not happen in this video.
- ghthor 9mo ago
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- 113 9mo ago
  > Police officers cannot be continuously getting into fights with people, especially armed people That is their job.

The guy was filming ice, they started pushing some other person so he got in between them. They threw him to the ground, where three men pinned his hands down. Another pulled out his pepper spray can, then started beating the victim in the face repeatedly. At the same time, a fifth agent pats him down. He finds a gun (legally purchased and the MN police have said he was permitted to carry). They remove the firearm and walk away. Then one of the officers yells "he has a gun" and shoots him point blank. Then another officer fires, which looks to kill him and he drops face-down and the officers back away. Finally, one more pulls out his firearm and puts 9 into the back of the victim's corpse - guaranteeing he can't be saved

silexia 9mo ago

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_DeadFred_ 9mo ago
ICE are not police officers, or even traditional law enforcement officers.
- B1FIDO 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It is separate from law enforcement with different rules, training, and authority. They enforcement a subset of rules/law. They are not law enforcement in the general sense law enforcement is thought of, no more than Parking Enforcement. For example they can't pull someone over for breaking the law. They don't have authority to enforce all laws, only immigration and customs, and they have much more limited authority to carrying out their duties than REAL law enforcement. They are immigrations and customs enforcement, not law enforcement. Their minimal training period and requirements indicates as such. The delegated authority of what they are allowed to do indicates as much. But keep building them up to be something more to justify murder of Americans on the streets. Sorry you don't understand American civics.
    - B1FIDO 9mo ago
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      - grumio 9mo ago
        And yet the videos show that they didn't enforce the law. It's right there in the videos.
        B1FIDO 9mo ago
        [flagged]
        grumio 9mo ago
        You're welcome. Happy to see evidence and call it like it is. I trust my eyes over billionare-funded Fox News and authority figures, which is your perspective I could get anywhere.
        B1FIDO 9mo ago
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        grumio 9mo ago
        Welcome to the free marketplace of ideas, dude. Talk about the issue I'm talking about instead of ranting on some vague generalization about how "believing your own eyes" is bad sometimes, thus is always bad??? If someone were talking disprovable nonsense about fairies, it would be totally fair to bring up counter-evidence. This comment of yours is substanceless.
  - Hikikomori 9mo ago
    They would need some kind of training to be an officer. Like almost all police in America they're state sanctioned armed thugs, though ice have even less training and are more racist.
    - B1FIDO 9mo ago
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      - lovich 9mo ago
        "sponsored"? Can you run through the rest of your script and get past the Soros bucks part, it's boring at this point.
        B1FIDO 9mo ago
        https://youtu.be/3V65_L3sCMI?si=HushHA5YdZNJsUAk https://youtu.be/3V65_L3sCMI?si=HushHA5YdZNJsUAk
        defrost 9mo ago
        Your source is a News Corp opinion piece ? When that talks about "lawless behaviour", it shows citizens standing on public sidewalks speaking freely (not illegal), when it asserts that citizens of MN are "funded by shadowy networks" it offers no proof to that assertion, etc.
        lovich 9mo ago
        Of course he did. Facts don’t care about _your_ feelings. That doesn’t mean facts don’t care about _their_ feelings.
        bigyabai 9mo ago
        That is a WSJ opinion piece, it is not a meaningful comparison of US lobbying spend separated by party. Political lobbying is an American problem and most assuredly not limited to democrats. For example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/788056/us-oil-and-gas-lobbying-spend-by-party/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/788056/us-oil-and-gas-lo...
  - ajross 9mo ago
    Seems like the "I" and "C" might be more relevant? For hundreds of years of civil jurisprudence, enforcing immigration and customs has not involved shooting non-smuggling citizens in the back. Or face. We all know what's happening here. And sincere application of relevant visa and trade laws is not it. ICE are brown shirts. Their job is to terrorize the Designated Enemies of the State.
- nomel 9mo ago
  Please note, a question does not imply an opinion. Could you provide a reference for them not being federal law enforcement officers (specifically immigration law)? I've seen this mentioned several times, but can only find evidence that they are. For example Cornel Law [1]: > The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). > CE’s primary mission is to promote homeland security and public safety through criminal and civil enforcement of federal laws governing border control, customs, trade, and immigration. Even PBS is reporting them as such [2]: > Federal law gives immigration agents the authority to arrest and detain people believed to have violated immigration law. > "All law enforcement officers, including ICE, are bound by the Constitution," said Alexandra Lopez, managing partner of a Chicago-based law firm specializing in immigration cases. And USC 1357 seems to make this indisputable [3], but IANAL. All the sources I could find that say they aren't law enforcement are questionable, and aren't related to interpreting law. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration_and_customs_enforcement_(ice) https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration_and_customs_enfo... [2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-legal-rights-do-you-have-in-encounters-with-ice-legal-experts-weigh-in https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-legal-rights-do-you... [3] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1357%20edition:prelim) https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1...
  - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
    18 USC § 115(c)(1) (1) “Federal law enforcement officer” means any officer, agent, or employee of the United States authorized by law or by a Government agency to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of Federal criminal law; HSI special agents have authority to investigate violations across multiple federal statutes including immigration law (Title 8), customs law (Title 19), general federal crimes (Title 18), and the Controlled Substances Act (Title 21). But who we think of as ICE aren't HSI special agents. Enforcement and Removal Operations (normal ICE agents) do not have this authority and are not Law Enforcement under 18 because they are enforcing administrative removal or civil immigration status violations which are civil proceedings, not Federal Criminal Law violations. Someone whose role is limited to civil or administrative enforcement of immigration status (without authority to enforce federal criminal law) would not, on the face of the statutory language alone, qualify under § 115(c)(1). -------------------------------------------------------- Separately, when you fly at an airport, TSA are enforcing a subsection of travel laws (just like ICE enforces a subsection of immigration and customs law), but they are not 'law enforcement' as shown here: https://jobs.tsa.gov/law-enforcement https://jobs.tsa.gov/law-enforcement Actual law enforcement is a seperate arm, the Federal Air Marshal Service. You can carry out targeted subsections of the law without being actual law enforcement. ICE training has been reduced from 5 months to eight weeks. Law enforcement training was 16 weeks on it's own previously. There is zero possibility they are receiving law enforcement training in 8 weeks. There are now rumors training has been reduced to six weeks (ICE fails to update what their current training program is). I would note that training does not mean they are law enforcement (many Prosecutors and others attend Law Enforcement training) that type of training just means that they understand the system. You would not be able to cut ACTUAL law enforcement training in half (or more in this case) if someone is an ACTUAL law enforcement officer. Complete Law Enforcement training would be a REQUIREMENT of an ACTUAL Law Enforcement job, not something optional that can just be cut out. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/new-ice-recruits-showed-training-full-vetting-rcna238739 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/new-ice-recruit... https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2026/01/ice-more-doubled-its-workforce-2025/410461/ https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2026/01/ice-more-doubled-i... -------------------------- In addition, 8 CFR § 287.8 - Standards for enforcement activities requires " The following immigration officers who have successfully completed basic immigration law enforcement training are hereby authorized and designated to exercise the power conferred". It can be argued current ICE training does not meet this requirement of Federal law to qualify and they are only authorized for not law enforcement civil immigration enforcement.
Capricorn2481 9mo ago
You described a process that did not happen in this video.
ghthor 9mo ago
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113 9mo ago
> Police officers cannot be continuously getting into fights with people, especially armed people That is their job.