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It's better than nothing. If you have a different app and want to talk to your friend who uses whatsapp it's much easier to convince him to toggle a setting th

It's better than nothing. If you have a different app and want to talk to your friend who uses whatsapp it's much easier to convince him to toggle a setting than to download a different app.

echelon 8mo ago
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- jstummbillig 8mo ago
  > This is fucking malicious compliance. Meta knows what they're doing. And so do the courts. Give them some time to cook. How goes the popular American saying: We can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way.
  - echelon 8mo ago
    How long? Lina Khan didn't move fast enough, then she was shown the door. Maybe the EU will persist where the US FTC/DOJ could not?
  - Nextgrid 8mo ago
    > Give them some time to cook How long? I'm still waiting for the GDPR to actually be enforced meaningfully.
    - jstummbillig 8mo ago
      How is it not enforced "meaningfully"? (I don't know what is meaningful to you)
      - Nextgrid 8mo ago
        Here's a good overview: https://noyb.eu/en/data-protection-day-are-europeans-really-protected https://noyb.eu/en/data-protection-day-are-europeans-really-... It's several years old by now but nothing has changed. It is still more profitable to breach the GDPR than to comply with it.
    - gf000 8mo ago
      You can get some really hefty fines for not playing by the rules. It's taken extremely seriously in basically every aspect of life in Europe. It's not enforced hard enough against US company empires like meta and the like unfortunately, but it absolutely works.
      - Nextgrid 8mo ago
        Can != will. > It's taken extremely seriously in basically every aspect of life in Europe Yeah, like every single cookie banner out there not actually being compliant. A regulation can't be considered to be meaningfully enforced when every single storefront openly breaches it in total impunity for years.
      - reedciccio 8mo ago
        Yeah... Ask Schrems about the hefty fines and all that pretty things bright to Europeans by the GDPR. Come on! The GDPR is at best a pretty face to a rotten nothing-burger.
        pastage 8mo ago
        Not full filling your wishes can still mean useful. Be very specific when you critize the only set of laws that has done anything for users.
  - _3u10 8mo ago
    Nah it’s privacy. Gotta get consent from users. Cookies, GDPR, and all. Meta has learned from their fines, and isn’t opting users automatically into features.
- irishcoffee 8mo ago
  > This is fucking malicious compliance. Meta knows what they're doing. Wait, you mean passing feel-good legislation has knock-on effects? Who would have thought?
  - TeMPOraL 8mo ago
    It's not a case of "feel-good legislation", but yeah, this reaction was to be expected. Meta and most other SaaS companies are user-hostile on purpose, not by accident, so it's predictable they'll try to fight it.
    - irishcoffee 8mo ago
      That's fair. By feel-good I meant, passing something without trying to see how this would be the reaction. Just put a tiny bit more thought into the edge cases for exploitation. Don't rush it for the moral victory, have cake and eat it too.
  - schubidubiduba 8mo ago
    That is not the case here. The legislation has been drafted with all of this in mind, and will force Meta to continually improve until the feature is like it should be. Without Trump making a huge fuss everytime US companies have to do something that can hurt their monopolies, we'd probably already be there
- ronsor 8mo ago
  > Or worse - you have a nice trademark for your business or product, and google managed to turn 91% of "URL bars" through "web standards" and unilateral control / anti-competitive practices, turn these into "Google search". You type in Anthropic and instead of seeing their homepage, you see ads for ChatGPT. 50% of Google's revenue is trademark taxation. This is preposterous. You'd see ads for Gemini, not ChatGPT.
  - direwolf20 8mo ago
    That depends which group is offering more money today. Gemini is integrated into the search and comes before any results so it might not need any ads.
  - philipallstar 8mo ago
    What web standard is this?
- drnick1 8mo ago
  It's because the real solution here is to move away from this proprietary malware to protocols that are open, so that anyone can write or fork a client. (For instance, see Molly for a fully Ungoogled Signal.) It's difficult when it comes to messengers, but reasonably easy when it comes to Google and Android, for which good alternatives exist (e.g., DuckDuck on GrapheneOS.)

It's better than nothing. If you have a different app and want to talk to your friend who uses whatsapp it's much easier to convince him to toggle a setting than to download a different app.

echelon 8mo ago

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jstummbillig 8mo ago
> This is fucking malicious compliance. Meta knows what they're doing. And so do the courts. Give them some time to cook. How goes the popular American saying: We can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way.
- echelon 8mo ago
  How long? Lina Khan didn't move fast enough, then she was shown the door. Maybe the EU will persist where the US FTC/DOJ could not?
- Nextgrid 8mo ago
  > Give them some time to cook How long? I'm still waiting for the GDPR to actually be enforced meaningfully.
  - jstummbillig 8mo ago
    How is it not enforced "meaningfully"? (I don't know what is meaningful to you)
    - Nextgrid 8mo ago
      Here's a good overview: https://noyb.eu/en/data-protection-day-are-europeans-really-protected https://noyb.eu/en/data-protection-day-are-europeans-really-... It's several years old by now but nothing has changed. It is still more profitable to breach the GDPR than to comply with it.
  - gf000 8mo ago
    You can get some really hefty fines for not playing by the rules. It's taken extremely seriously in basically every aspect of life in Europe. It's not enforced hard enough against US company empires like meta and the like unfortunately, but it absolutely works.
    - Nextgrid 8mo ago
      Can != will. > It's taken extremely seriously in basically every aspect of life in Europe Yeah, like every single cookie banner out there not actually being compliant. A regulation can't be considered to be meaningfully enforced when every single storefront openly breaches it in total impunity for years.
    - reedciccio 8mo ago
      Yeah... Ask Schrems about the hefty fines and all that pretty things bright to Europeans by the GDPR. Come on! The GDPR is at best a pretty face to a rotten nothing-burger.
      - pastage 8mo ago
        Not full filling your wishes can still mean useful. Be very specific when you critize the only set of laws that has done anything for users.
- _3u10 8mo ago
  Nah it’s privacy. Gotta get consent from users. Cookies, GDPR, and all. Meta has learned from their fines, and isn’t opting users automatically into features.
irishcoffee 8mo ago
> This is fucking malicious compliance. Meta knows what they're doing. Wait, you mean passing feel-good legislation has knock-on effects? Who would have thought?
- TeMPOraL 8mo ago
  It's not a case of "feel-good legislation", but yeah, this reaction was to be expected. Meta and most other SaaS companies are user-hostile on purpose, not by accident, so it's predictable they'll try to fight it.
  - irishcoffee 8mo ago
    That's fair. By feel-good I meant, passing something without trying to see how this would be the reaction. Just put a tiny bit more thought into the edge cases for exploitation. Don't rush it for the moral victory, have cake and eat it too.
- schubidubiduba 8mo ago
  That is not the case here. The legislation has been drafted with all of this in mind, and will force Meta to continually improve until the feature is like it should be. Without Trump making a huge fuss everytime US companies have to do something that can hurt their monopolies, we'd probably already be there
ronsor 8mo ago
> Or worse - you have a nice trademark for your business or product, and google managed to turn 91% of "URL bars" through "web standards" and unilateral control / anti-competitive practices, turn these into "Google search". You type in Anthropic and instead of seeing their homepage, you see ads for ChatGPT. 50% of Google's revenue is trademark taxation. This is preposterous. You'd see ads for Gemini, not ChatGPT.
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  That depends which group is offering more money today. Gemini is integrated into the search and comes before any results so it might not need any ads.
- philipallstar 8mo ago
  What web standard is this?
drnick1 8mo ago
It's because the real solution here is to move away from this proprietary malware to protocols that are open, so that anyone can write or fork a client. (For instance, see Molly for a fully Ungoogled Signal.) It's difficult when it comes to messengers, but reasonably easy when it comes to Google and Android, for which good alternatives exist (e.g., DuckDuck on GrapheneOS.)