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Regarding just the headline, at this point it's not really about immigration, this has evolved into a soft civil conflict being waged for political reasons. The

Regarding just the headline, at this point it's not really about immigration, this has evolved into a soft civil conflict being waged for political reasons. The two people who have been killed so far were themselves citizens and at best were political dissidents. They were not themselves subject to detainment due to immigration status.

nrds 9mo ago
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- amluto 9mo ago
  On the flip side: where did the idea that it’s illegal to obstruct a belligerent person who does not clearly identify themselves as a law enforcement officer come from?
- testing22321 9mo ago
  Watch the video of what led to this. He was standing there filming with his phone, ICE ran up to him and started yelling/pushing. Are you suggesting that him filming was obstructing ICE?
  - nrds 9mo ago
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    - SauciestGNU 9mo ago
      So you assert that there is some prima facia obstruction going on here but refuse to clearly state what the obstructive behavior is?
    - lovich 9mo ago
      No, you just claimed that anyone saying he wasn't obstructing is engaging in a fallacious argument. He wasn't obstructing, he was filming them. That's a literal fact, not a fallacy.
      - nrds 9mo ago
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        filoeleven 9mo ago
        Surely you mean moving the goalposts?
        piva00 9mo ago
        I don't understand why you are trying to defend through debate tactics the morality of shooting someone down on their knees while 4-6 agents of the State pile on top. Does it really matter what rhetorical mechanism someone tries to use for this defence?
- tehwebguy 9mo ago
  Bro is like, “can we please stop talking about this extra judicial politically motivated murder and please focus on the semantics of my argument?”
  - the__alchemist 9mo ago
    Correction: Not a bro.
- luke5441 9mo ago
  Killing someone is the ultimate punishment. They stop existing. Are you arguing that obstructing federal law enforcement officers mean they are allowed to kill you as punishment without the legal system being involved?
duxup 9mo ago
I don’t think it’s ever about what Trump claims. It’s just one crisis after another where they hope to distract and divide people to get themselves power / support and anyone killed along the way, they don’t care. Some of trumps big donors have been caught hiring large number of illegal folks by design and they don’t care.
baubino 9mo ago
> this has evolved into a soft civil conflict being waged for political reasons. The more quickly Americans come to terms with this reality, the better. I’m not in Minneapolis, but from what I’ve been reading and hearing, people there already understand that their city is being occupied by a hostile force and that this is indeed a civil conflict. Everyone else needs to catch up now.
- B1FIDO 9mo ago
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xdennis 9mo ago
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- AlecSchueler 9mo ago
  > But the other woman tried to flee and run over a cop. So that particular shooting was entirely justified She didn't try to run over anyone, you can watch multiple videos of this. It's also my understanding that they had no basis for detaining her, as there was no reason to believe she was illegally in the United States. Even if that wasn't so the use of lethal force is far beyond what would have been necessary.

nrds 9mo ago

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amluto 9mo ago
On the flip side: where did the idea that it’s illegal to obstruct a belligerent person who does not clearly identify themselves as a law enforcement officer come from?
testing22321 9mo ago
Watch the video of what led to this. He was standing there filming with his phone, ICE ran up to him and started yelling/pushing. Are you suggesting that him filming was obstructing ICE?
- nrds 9mo ago
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  - SauciestGNU 9mo ago
    So you assert that there is some prima facia obstruction going on here but refuse to clearly state what the obstructive behavior is?
  - lovich 9mo ago
    No, you just claimed that anyone saying he wasn't obstructing is engaging in a fallacious argument. He wasn't obstructing, he was filming them. That's a literal fact, not a fallacy.
    - nrds 9mo ago
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      - filoeleven 9mo ago
        Surely you mean moving the goalposts?
      - piva00 9mo ago
        I don't understand why you are trying to defend through debate tactics the morality of shooting someone down on their knees while 4-6 agents of the State pile on top. Does it really matter what rhetorical mechanism someone tries to use for this defence?
tehwebguy 9mo ago
Bro is like, “can we please stop talking about this extra judicial politically motivated murder and please focus on the semantics of my argument?”
- the__alchemist 9mo ago
  Correction: Not a bro.
luke5441 9mo ago
Killing someone is the ultimate punishment. They stop existing. Are you arguing that obstructing federal law enforcement officers mean they are allowed to kill you as punishment without the legal system being involved?

duxup 9mo ago

I don’t think it’s ever about what Trump claims. It’s just one crisis after another where they hope to distract and divide people to get themselves power / support and anyone killed along the way, they don’t care. Some of trumps big donors have been caught hiring large number of illegal folks by design and they don’t care.

baubino 9mo ago

> this has evolved into a soft civil conflict being waged for political reasons. The more quickly Americans come to terms with this reality, the better. I’m not in Minneapolis, but from what I’ve been reading and hearing, people there already understand that their city is being occupied by a hostile force and that this is indeed a civil conflict. Everyone else needs to catch up now.

B1FIDO 9mo ago
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xdennis 9mo ago

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AlecSchueler 9mo ago
> But the other woman tried to flee and run over a cop. So that particular shooting was entirely justified She didn't try to run over anyone, you can watch multiple videos of this. It's also my understanding that they had no basis for detaining her, as there was no reason to believe she was illegally in the United States. Even if that wasn't so the use of lethal force is far beyond what would have been necessary.