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For how long can we keep ignoring this?

by slg 9mo ago

popularrecluse 9mo ago
Right up until it knocks on our own door.
- deeg 9mo ago
  Maybe if Trump goes after cryptocurrency or AI they'll start to care.
ninkendo 9mo ago
Who’s ignoring it?
- popularrecluse 9mo ago
  [flagged]
- pan69 9mo ago
  Republican senators?
  - ninkendo 9mo ago
    I wouldn’t say they’re ignoring it’s so much as cheering it on, and falling over each other to voice their support for it. It’s liberals getting killed after all, and they’re not Americans like republicans are Americans. No, there’s people that love what ICE is doing, people that hate it, people who try and stop it, and the rest of us who look on in horror at the trainwreck and collapse happening in front of us… But I can’t think of a single group of people who are ignoring it. Other than maybe for a lack of perceived other options and to keep from going insane. Myself? I’m basically a coward. I have two young children. I don’t want to go protest ICE and get killed by one of these wannabe gestapos. I’m in a real state of fear for my children and the world they’re going to grow up in, but I literally don’t know what else I can do. Maybe I’ll help join the campaign if a democratic candidate this year and help them get elected. But I’m not ignoring it. I can’t think of anyone who is.
    - slg 9mo ago
      If you're not doing anything about this, you're ignoring it. I don't say this as an insult. I say it as a wakeup call. I'm right there with you, only maybe a few degrees closer to not ignoring it. I have been to protests. I have been tear-gassed and seen people within a few yards of me bloodied up by the authorities, but in comparison to this man that is now dead, I have been ignoring this. For those of us that see that this is wrong, we all need to do more, for your children and mine.
- testing22321 9mo ago
  Everyone who flagged this submission, and now everyone that can’t see it.
  - ninkendo 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    - scarecrowbob 9mo ago
      [flagged]
      - ninkendo 9mo ago
        > it's easy to see the very real authoritarian bend of comfortable professionals who are smart but also in favor of, say, summary execution of people for protesting There’s that rhetoric I’m talking about! Thanks for giving a perfect example. For topics like these, the expectation is that everyone comes in here and expresses sufficient levels of outrage. After all, if you’re scrolling through all the posts showing these awful things, you should have built up the requisite level of outrage by now, so if you post anything other than “HN is obviously ok with executions”, you must be one of them and therefore further evidence that these comfortable professionals are complacent and pro-murder. The nuanced takes are nowhere to be found, because people who might want to come into these discussions with it, see the rhetoric being tossed around, and think “nope, this is all toxic, no way I’m joining in”, flag it, and move on. But you can look at that exact situation (people flagging the post) and conclude “yup, the person doing the flagging is okay with executions.” It’s wild. The sad thing is that there is a nuanced discussion to be had here. In fact it’s critical to this country’s survival that we are able to navigate our way through this. But this discussion, this navigation, needs to happen in small groups, where we can actually engage face-to-face. When we can see each other’s humanity, and know that the other person isn’t a monster, and doesn’t want to see innocent people die any more than you do. Where we can dissect each other’s viewpoints carefully. None of that is really possible in online forums, because the group think is real, and the rhetoric destroys nuance, destroys compassion, destroys the ability to find common ground. It’s sheer toxicity.
user982 9mo ago
For however long flagging on HN has no downsides.
thisisit 9mo ago
Until someone comes for them. It is basically equivalent to "First They Came". First they came for the Immigrants And I did not speak out Because they were not Immigrants (hell they were stealing jobs so fck them) Then they came for the US citizens who were Socialist/Leftists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist/Leftists (hell they dare protest the government so fck them) so and so forth..

For how long can we keep ignoring this?

by slg 9mo ago

For how long can we keep ignoring this?

popularrecluse 9mo ago

Right up until it knocks on our own door.

deeg 9mo ago
Maybe if Trump goes after cryptocurrency or AI they'll start to care.

ninkendo 9mo ago

Who’s ignoring it?

popularrecluse 9mo ago
[flagged]
pan69 9mo ago
Republican senators?
- ninkendo 9mo ago
  I wouldn’t say they’re ignoring it’s so much as cheering it on, and falling over each other to voice their support for it. It’s liberals getting killed after all, and they’re not Americans like republicans are Americans. No, there’s people that love what ICE is doing, people that hate it, people who try and stop it, and the rest of us who look on in horror at the trainwreck and collapse happening in front of us… But I can’t think of a single group of people who are ignoring it. Other than maybe for a lack of perceived other options and to keep from going insane. Myself? I’m basically a coward. I have two young children. I don’t want to go protest ICE and get killed by one of these wannabe gestapos. I’m in a real state of fear for my children and the world they’re going to grow up in, but I literally don’t know what else I can do. Maybe I’ll help join the campaign if a democratic candidate this year and help them get elected. But I’m not ignoring it. I can’t think of anyone who is.
  - slg 9mo ago
    If you're not doing anything about this, you're ignoring it. I don't say this as an insult. I say it as a wakeup call. I'm right there with you, only maybe a few degrees closer to not ignoring it. I have been to protests. I have been tear-gassed and seen people within a few yards of me bloodied up by the authorities, but in comparison to this man that is now dead, I have been ignoring this. For those of us that see that this is wrong, we all need to do more, for your children and mine.
testing22321 9mo ago
Everyone who flagged this submission, and now everyone that can’t see it.
- ninkendo 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - scarecrowbob 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    - ninkendo 9mo ago
      > it's easy to see the very real authoritarian bend of comfortable professionals who are smart but also in favor of, say, summary execution of people for protesting There’s that rhetoric I’m talking about! Thanks for giving a perfect example. For topics like these, the expectation is that everyone comes in here and expresses sufficient levels of outrage. After all, if you’re scrolling through all the posts showing these awful things, you should have built up the requisite level of outrage by now, so if you post anything other than “HN is obviously ok with executions”, you must be one of them and therefore further evidence that these comfortable professionals are complacent and pro-murder. The nuanced takes are nowhere to be found, because people who might want to come into these discussions with it, see the rhetoric being tossed around, and think “nope, this is all toxic, no way I’m joining in”, flag it, and move on. But you can look at that exact situation (people flagging the post) and conclude “yup, the person doing the flagging is okay with executions.” It’s wild. The sad thing is that there is a nuanced discussion to be had here. In fact it’s critical to this country’s survival that we are able to navigate our way through this. But this discussion, this navigation, needs to happen in small groups, where we can actually engage face-to-face. When we can see each other’s humanity, and know that the other person isn’t a monster, and doesn’t want to see innocent people die any more than you do. Where we can dissect each other’s viewpoints carefully. None of that is really possible in online forums, because the group think is real, and the rhetoric destroys nuance, destroys compassion, destroys the ability to find common ground. It’s sheer toxicity.

user982 9mo ago

For however long flagging on HN has no downsides.

thisisit 9mo ago

Until someone comes for them. It is basically equivalent to "First They Came". First they came for the Immigrants And I did not speak out Because they were not Immigrants (hell they were stealing jobs so fck them) Then they came for the US citizens who were Socialist/Leftists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist/Leftists (hell they dare protest the government so fck them) so and so forth..