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It's always been strange to me that Americans are allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights...until they get killed by police. Then they should've known no

It's always been strange to me that Americans are allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights...until they get killed by police. Then they should've known not to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

JKCalhoun 9mo ago
Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea.
- CamperBob2 9mo ago
  Yeah, somebody should do something about that. Masked men with guns and unlimited immunity aren't good to have around in your community. Oh, wait, you meant the victim.
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  - JKCalhoun 9mo ago
    Por qué no los dos? (To borrow a meme.)
    - CamperBob2 9mo ago
      You might as well imagine no religion while you're at it. It's easy if you try... but it's not going to happen. So we might as well stop arguing that the government should have a monopoly on tools of violence. These people should be afraid of us, and not the other way around.
- FpUser 9mo ago
  >"Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea." When those people are ICE it definitely is. I think those motherfuckers should be wearing straightjackets
- goatlover 9mo ago
  Same goes for law enforcement, but it's a Constitutional right that the right does not want to amend.
Freedom2 9mo ago
What I've observed is that Americans like to put themselves higher than other cultures due to their second amendment rights (and first, but that's neither here nor there), but when push comes to shove there's actually no real positive outcomes that come from having a country with it's citizens armed to the extent that Americans are.
- stackbutterflow 9mo ago
  And we've seen what allowing people to promote hate speech with no restraint does to a nation. When it's over, and it will be, Americans need to start from scratch, iterate and write a new constitution, create new institutions and build a new system.
  - int_19h 9mo ago
    We've also seen what very rigid hate speech policing does to a nation in Germany... and AfD seems to be doing pretty well. It's almost as if those laws are mostly just performative bullshit that doesn't actually prevent the spread of violent ideologies when the environment is conductive to them.
    - stackbutterflow 9mo ago
      Fair, but we need to account for the influence of the 1st-amendment-propelled far right discourse in the US on German politics to know how (in)effective German speech laws are.
yongjik 9mo ago
The group of Americans who are the loudest at cheering for the 2nd Amendment rights are cheering for ICE these days. To them, "the security of a free State" means that it has a caste system with the "good guys" at the top, and when ICE goons execute Minnesotans, they see brave armed citizens fighting back against the tyranny of wokeness.
- nullocator 9mo ago
  The truth of this hurts my soul
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UncleMeat 9mo ago
Everything makes much more sense when you realize that the conservative project is not about universal application of rights. It is a system of hierarchies. They have rights. We do not. They can carry firearms. We are violent maniacs trying to massacre cops (according to Bovino) and deserve what's coming. The 2nd amendment was more about suppressing slave revolts than liberating slaves.

JKCalhoun 9mo ago

Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea.

CamperBob2 9mo ago
Yeah, somebody should do something about that. Masked men with guns and unlimited immunity aren't good to have around in your community. Oh, wait, you meant the victim.
- deleted 9mo ago
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- JKCalhoun 9mo ago
  Por qué no los dos? (To borrow a meme.)
  - CamperBob2 9mo ago
    You might as well imagine no religion while you're at it. It's easy if you try... but it's not going to happen. So we might as well stop arguing that the government should have a monopoly on tools of violence. These people should be afraid of us, and not the other way around.
FpUser 9mo ago
>"Yeah, it's almost like people walking around with guns is a bad idea." When those people are ICE it definitely is. I think those motherfuckers should be wearing straightjackets
goatlover 9mo ago
Same goes for law enforcement, but it's a Constitutional right that the right does not want to amend.

Freedom2 9mo ago

What I've observed is that Americans like to put themselves higher than other cultures due to their second amendment rights (and first, but that's neither here nor there), but when push comes to shove there's actually no real positive outcomes that come from having a country with it's citizens armed to the extent that Americans are.

stackbutterflow 9mo ago
And we've seen what allowing people to promote hate speech with no restraint does to a nation. When it's over, and it will be, Americans need to start from scratch, iterate and write a new constitution, create new institutions and build a new system.
- int_19h 9mo ago
  We've also seen what very rigid hate speech policing does to a nation in Germany... and AfD seems to be doing pretty well. It's almost as if those laws are mostly just performative bullshit that doesn't actually prevent the spread of violent ideologies when the environment is conductive to them.
  - stackbutterflow 9mo ago
    Fair, but we need to account for the influence of the 1st-amendment-propelled far right discourse in the US on German politics to know how (in)effective German speech laws are.

yongjik 9mo ago

The group of Americans who are the loudest at cheering for the 2nd Amendment rights are cheering for ICE these days. To them, "the security of a free State" means that it has a caste system with the "good guys" at the top, and when ICE goons execute Minnesotans, they see brave armed citizens fighting back against the tyranny of wokeness.

nullocator 9mo ago
The truth of this hurts my soul

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UncleMeat 9mo ago

Everything makes much more sense when you realize that the conservative project is not about universal application of rights. It is a system of hierarchies. They have rights. We do not. They can carry firearms. We are violent maniacs trying to massacre cops (according to Bovino) and deserve what's coming. The 2nd amendment was more about suppressing slave revolts than liberating slaves.