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Looks like the citizen was disarmed by an agent, then executed by an agent, then a different agent emptied a clip into the corpse. https://bsky.app/profile/bra

by cmurf 9mo ago

Looks like the citizen was disarmed by an agent, then executed by an agent, then a different agent emptied a clip into the corpse. https://bsky.app/profile/bradmossesq.bsky.social/post/3md6pidfink27 https://bsky.app/profile/bradmossesq.bsky.social/post/3md6pi... --- Related, six days ago. Since then, the FBI agent who indicated a civil rights investigation into the shooting of Renee Good was warranted, has resigned. https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mcpk34cyu22p https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mcpk34cyu22p

eudamoniac 9mo ago
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- theossuary 9mo ago
  That's murder if so, not unfortunate
- malfist 9mo ago
  How does the victim you supposedly saw pull out a gun, do that when he's pinned to the ground with a agent bashing his head repeatedly with an implement?
  - eudamoniac 9mo ago
    When you're in a high stress physical altercation with obscured vision, and you see a gun in your opponent's pants, and then a hand on that gun, and then the gun being pulled out of the pants by that hand, all happening quickly in succession, you may believe in that split second that you are in a mortal situation. These are not well trained soldiers here. I'm not defending them, just guessing at the explanation. I'm operating from the assumption that the ICE agent did not randomly with absolutely no cause decide to execute a guy; probably something made him believe in that moment that he should shoot. You can see from the other, closer video that he very suddenly draws his weapon, as if in reaction to something. Edit: someone else ITT theorized that the disarming agent ND'd which caused another agent to shoot in reaction. That's also pretty plausible.
    - malfist 9mo ago
      I've yet to hear how someone with their hands restrained and forced on the ground managed to get their hands on their gun. Can you please educate me?
      - eudamoniac 9mo ago
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        fzeroracer 9mo ago
        The strongest interpretation of your posts is that you know exactly what you're doing, because you've done it multiple [1] times [2] now [3]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46559763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46559763 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46536148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46536148 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515813
        eudamoniac 9mo ago
        Please see my bio. I support ICE in principal, though not in current practice. This isn't a secret or shameful to me. If we can't have a dialogue about how to deport illegal immigrants safely, and how to get from here to a working deportation system, and the only two options are to abolish ICE or the current situation, I fear abolishing ICE is not going to be what happens. That isn't really what anyone wants. The first step to fixing what's going wrong is to understand the failure mode. The failure mode is not in most cases "they executed him because they are evil murderers".
        myko 9mo ago
        > "they executed him because they are evil murderers" This does appear to be the case, same with Good
        padjo 9mo ago
        You seem to think this is a failure mode and not the system working as intended. I encourage you to read some Stephen Miller posts. Dead liberals is a nice bonus to them.
- cmurf 9mo ago
  No. https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md6vlu7hb22t https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md6vlu7hb22t
  - eudamoniac 9mo ago
    This doesn't contradict what I said, because "moments before" is like 2 seconds. It seems plausible to me that the agent reacted to a gun being pulled out of pants and panic shot within 2 seconds. His gun was not already drawn, so that's a plausible lag time. If we assume that ICE did not execute a guy for literally no reason whatsoever, that seems to me the most likely explanation for why he drew and fired.
    - idibiks 9mo ago
      My dude, they were already beating him for no reason whatsoever. When someone showed me this video the first time, I thought the outrage was that they were beating a guy who wasn’t resisting for no reason whatsoever, which is true, but then they also killed him, again for no reason. They were already violent criminals before they murdered him. If he had been drawing it would have been justifiable self defense and ICE would still have been entirely in the wrong. Though he didn’t.

by cmurf 9mo ago

eudamoniac 9mo ago

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theossuary 9mo ago
That's murder if so, not unfortunate
malfist 9mo ago
How does the victim you supposedly saw pull out a gun, do that when he's pinned to the ground with a agent bashing his head repeatedly with an implement?
- eudamoniac 9mo ago
  When you're in a high stress physical altercation with obscured vision, and you see a gun in your opponent's pants, and then a hand on that gun, and then the gun being pulled out of the pants by that hand, all happening quickly in succession, you may believe in that split second that you are in a mortal situation. These are not well trained soldiers here. I'm not defending them, just guessing at the explanation. I'm operating from the assumption that the ICE agent did not randomly with absolutely no cause decide to execute a guy; probably something made him believe in that moment that he should shoot. You can see from the other, closer video that he very suddenly draws his weapon, as if in reaction to something. Edit: someone else ITT theorized that the disarming agent ND'd which caused another agent to shoot in reaction. That's also pretty plausible.
  - malfist 9mo ago
    I've yet to hear how someone with their hands restrained and forced on the ground managed to get their hands on their gun. Can you please educate me?
    - eudamoniac 9mo ago
      [flagged]
      - fzeroracer 9mo ago
        The strongest interpretation of your posts is that you know exactly what you're doing, because you've done it multiple [1] times [2] now [3]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46559763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46559763 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46536148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46536148 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515813
        eudamoniac 9mo ago
        Please see my bio. I support ICE in principal, though not in current practice. This isn't a secret or shameful to me. If we can't have a dialogue about how to deport illegal immigrants safely, and how to get from here to a working deportation system, and the only two options are to abolish ICE or the current situation, I fear abolishing ICE is not going to be what happens. That isn't really what anyone wants. The first step to fixing what's going wrong is to understand the failure mode. The failure mode is not in most cases "they executed him because they are evil murderers".
        myko 9mo ago
        > "they executed him because they are evil murderers" This does appear to be the case, same with Good
        padjo 9mo ago
        You seem to think this is a failure mode and not the system working as intended. I encourage you to read some Stephen Miller posts. Dead liberals is a nice bonus to them.
cmurf 9mo ago
No. https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md6vlu7hb22t https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md6vlu7hb22t
- eudamoniac 9mo ago
  This doesn't contradict what I said, because "moments before" is like 2 seconds. It seems plausible to me that the agent reacted to a gun being pulled out of pants and panic shot within 2 seconds. His gun was not already drawn, so that's a plausible lag time. If we assume that ICE did not execute a guy for literally no reason whatsoever, that seems to me the most likely explanation for why he drew and fired.
  - idibiks 9mo ago
    My dude, they were already beating him for no reason whatsoever. When someone showed me this video the first time, I thought the outrage was that they were beating a guy who wasn’t resisting for no reason whatsoever, which is true, but then they also killed him, again for no reason. They were already violent criminals before they murdered him. If he had been drawing it would have been justifiable self defense and ICE would still have been entirely in the wrong. Though he didn’t.