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Yes exactly. I've forked many a library to meet my own needs. Usually temporary, but not always. The fact that I can do this when I have to means I can use basi

Yes exactly. I've forked many a library to meet my own needs. Usually temporary, but not always. The fact that I can do this when I have to means I can use basically any library. The submitted post is written from the perspective of some kind of social network project. People saying "just fork it" in that perspective are clearly missing the bigger picture, hence the post. And the author of that post, didn't acknowledge that FOSS is much more varied than their particular project.

zozbot234 9mo ago
Social networks can fork while still being interoperable. That's what the whole federation thing is all about.
- bookofsleepyjoe 9mo ago
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  - exe34 9mo ago
    is this a common problem? are software maintainers in the east sufficiently committed to racial superiority that they can't work with people in the west?
  - ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
    If almost everybody thinks you're so insufferable that they don't want to interact with you, chances are, you are. This has been a function of societies for as long as societies have existed, and addressing it requires honest reflection. In this case: "why is there such a huge overlap between people competent and willing to host federated social media servers, and people who don't want to be around me?" Unfortunately there is a pervasive attitude amongst a certain personality type, that if someone criticizes them, then that someone must be wrong, and must be fought, no matter what. It's common enough to have ICD-10 diagnosis codes for it: Narcissistic Personality Disorder and/or Oppositional Defiant Disorder. This is why I rarely try to change people's minds anymore unless they appear receptive to it: there's a good chance an overactive amygdala will see it as an attack and just make more work for me, wasting my time. It's easier to just talk to them about something else, or if they're being unnecessarily rude to people: not talk to them. You might reflect upon your own short comment history (or your username) and judge for yourself what proportion is polite & respectful vs. rude & belligerent, and consequently whether the average person would want to try having a nice conversation with you.
    - andinsky 9mo ago
      > If almost everybody thinks you're so insufferable that they don't want to interact with you, chances are, you are. Or they disagree with your views so intensely that they want you silenced. That's what happened with https://spinster.xyz https://spinster.xyz defederation. A group of male administrators of other Fediverse instances took umbrage at the women-centered, feminist discussion there and between them defederated hundreds of servers away from Spinster. This was on top of misogynistic attacks and attempts to deplatform. Some unfortunately successful, like the removal of the Spinster app from the Google Play Store and F-Droid.
      - ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
        > Or they disagree with your views so intensely that they want you silenced. That's what happened with https://spinster.xyz https://spinster.xyz defederation. You're referring to an instance in which nobody was silenced, and all that happened was that some people chose not to interact with other people. That's totally okay! You don't have to interact with folks you think are insufferable. > This was on top of misogynistic attacks Unfortunately, most social networks are full of misogynists, racists, etc. As the size of the network grows, the probability of it including a jerk approaches 100%. In fact, this is one of the reasons someone might choose to run their own network in which they don't have to associate with said jerks. Based on a cursory search of your example, it looks like a lot of folks felt that spinster.xyz wasn't worth voluntarily associating with, perhaps because there was a high proportions of jerks.
      - boltzmann-brain 9mo ago
        the propensity for fediverse admins to act like tiny dictators is extremely worrying. i haven't seen a good solution to this sort of thing honestly. ultimately it also means that you have to walk on eggshells and force yourself into an impossible shape lest you offend someone's very special interest that you didn't even know you were lightly brushing up against (for example, you say "clanker" and therefore the owner of some instance immediately and without asking thinks you are against cyborgs, and they identify as a cyborg, therefore you are a bigot, and you get banned without warning and all your friendships are gone - didn't happen to me, but i've seen it happen to someone else). one of the worst things about this is that you can't have a really strong disagreement with people who are popular on some instance because social inner circles form very easily on tiny instances, and all of them are tiny, especially compared to non-federated, centralized networks where brushing up against inner circles that have connections to admins is much much less likely.
  - kilpikaarna 9mo ago
    There's absolutely a far right fediverse. Though they're mostly (back) on Twitter for obvious reasons. Not sure why this split would be a problem? It's a very Big Social Media idea that everyone should use the same thing and expose themselves / be exposed to everything.
Aurornis 9mo ago
> Yes exactly. I've forked many a library to meet my own needs. Usually temporary, This isn’t really what the article is about. Doing a temporary fork for your own needs is equivalent to maintaining some personal patches. The article is talking about running a forked project as an active fork that other people are using. That comes with the social overhead and community complications.

zozbot234 9mo ago

Social networks can fork while still being interoperable. That's what the whole federation thing is all about.

bookofsleepyjoe 9mo ago
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- exe34 9mo ago
  is this a common problem? are software maintainers in the east sufficiently committed to racial superiority that they can't work with people in the west?
- ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
  If almost everybody thinks you're so insufferable that they don't want to interact with you, chances are, you are. This has been a function of societies for as long as societies have existed, and addressing it requires honest reflection. In this case: "why is there such a huge overlap between people competent and willing to host federated social media servers, and people who don't want to be around me?" Unfortunately there is a pervasive attitude amongst a certain personality type, that if someone criticizes them, then that someone must be wrong, and must be fought, no matter what. It's common enough to have ICD-10 diagnosis codes for it: Narcissistic Personality Disorder and/or Oppositional Defiant Disorder. This is why I rarely try to change people's minds anymore unless they appear receptive to it: there's a good chance an overactive amygdala will see it as an attack and just make more work for me, wasting my time. It's easier to just talk to them about something else, or if they're being unnecessarily rude to people: not talk to them. You might reflect upon your own short comment history (or your username) and judge for yourself what proportion is polite & respectful vs. rude & belligerent, and consequently whether the average person would want to try having a nice conversation with you.
  - andinsky 9mo ago
    > If almost everybody thinks you're so insufferable that they don't want to interact with you, chances are, you are. Or they disagree with your views so intensely that they want you silenced. That's what happened with https://spinster.xyz https://spinster.xyz defederation. A group of male administrators of other Fediverse instances took umbrage at the women-centered, feminist discussion there and between them defederated hundreds of servers away from Spinster. This was on top of misogynistic attacks and attempts to deplatform. Some unfortunately successful, like the removal of the Spinster app from the Google Play Store and F-Droid.
    - ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
      > Or they disagree with your views so intensely that they want you silenced. That's what happened with https://spinster.xyz https://spinster.xyz defederation. You're referring to an instance in which nobody was silenced, and all that happened was that some people chose not to interact with other people. That's totally okay! You don't have to interact with folks you think are insufferable. > This was on top of misogynistic attacks Unfortunately, most social networks are full of misogynists, racists, etc. As the size of the network grows, the probability of it including a jerk approaches 100%. In fact, this is one of the reasons someone might choose to run their own network in which they don't have to associate with said jerks. Based on a cursory search of your example, it looks like a lot of folks felt that spinster.xyz wasn't worth voluntarily associating with, perhaps because there was a high proportions of jerks.
    - boltzmann-brain 9mo ago
      the propensity for fediverse admins to act like tiny dictators is extremely worrying. i haven't seen a good solution to this sort of thing honestly. ultimately it also means that you have to walk on eggshells and force yourself into an impossible shape lest you offend someone's very special interest that you didn't even know you were lightly brushing up against (for example, you say "clanker" and therefore the owner of some instance immediately and without asking thinks you are against cyborgs, and they identify as a cyborg, therefore you are a bigot, and you get banned without warning and all your friendships are gone - didn't happen to me, but i've seen it happen to someone else). one of the worst things about this is that you can't have a really strong disagreement with people who are popular on some instance because social inner circles form very easily on tiny instances, and all of them are tiny, especially compared to non-federated, centralized networks where brushing up against inner circles that have connections to admins is much much less likely.
- kilpikaarna 9mo ago
  There's absolutely a far right fediverse. Though they're mostly (back) on Twitter for obvious reasons. Not sure why this split would be a problem? It's a very Big Social Media idea that everyone should use the same thing and expose themselves / be exposed to everything.

Aurornis 9mo ago

> Yes exactly. I've forked many a library to meet my own needs. Usually temporary, This isn’t really what the article is about. Doing a temporary fork for your own needs is equivalent to maintaining some personal patches. The article is talking about running a forked project as an active fork that other people are using. That comes with the social overhead and community complications.