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If you lose an account due to negligence, it's on you, not the service provider. Spam/junk folder is not "ignore" folder. You need to periodically check the co

by vee-kay 9mo ago

If you lose an account due to negligence, it's on you, not the service provider. Spam/junk folder is not "ignore" folder. You need to periodically check the contents of the spam/junk folder to see if any legitimate emails fell into that waste basket.

chrisjj 9mo ago
But the suggestion "get marked and reported as spam" can lead to future mails getting junked before even reaching the spam folder.
- vee-kay 9mo ago
  Agreed. That "Mark as Spam" facility not only moves the offending message into Jink/Spam folder, it also allows the Email Service provider to identify that type of email as spam, so future incoming messages that match that may criteria can be categorized as spam, so they'll go into spam folder automatically, rather than into the Inbox. You can find them in the Jink/Spam folder. However, if thousands of users report same domain or sender as spam, then the email service provider may take stern action, including blocking the sender email id or domain at the server level, so their messages will never reach your mailbox. So you need to be careful what you "Report as Spam". It is different action from "Mark as Spam". "Report as Spam" may also prompt the user to "Block sender", so one must be careful not to block legitimate senders, though this action can usually be undone, as the Mailbox Settings will track the blocked senders so that lost can be corrected by the user if needed. Gmail has a good trick that most users don't know or notice: In the Spam folder, the user can see a warning at the top of each email that explains why Gmail sent it to Spam. So user can figure out why legitimate emails got wrongly flagged as Spam, and can prevent such future legitimate emails from falling into Spam folder: User can do this either by adding the sender to Contacts list (Emails from known Contacts are auto-dumped into Spam folder), or by creating a filter to identify and action that message (flag it as Important, or label it with a custom category label, or move it to a specific subfolder, or forward it to another email ID).
  - MiddleEndian 9mo ago
    >However, if thousands of users report same domain or sender as spam, then the email service provider may take stern action, including blocking the sender email id or domain at the server level, so their messages will never reach your mailbox. This is a good thing. If you spam thousands of users, you are a spammer, even if you also happen to send legitimate emails. If anything, it should be applied more broadly. When companies like Walmart or Paypal or LinkedIn or Comcast or whoever spam thousands or millions of people, if Gmail marked all their emails as spam until they stopped, that would be a major quality of life improvement for everyone.
    - chrisjj 9mo ago
      > This is a good thing. If you spam thousands of users, you are a spammer Or you got hacked by a spammer. > even if you also happen to send legitimate emails. And also a bad thing. E.g. for the user losing a critical legit email. > if Gmail marked all their emails as spam until they stopped, that would be a major quality of life improvement for everyone. Sorry absolutely not for everyone. To me, receiving legit PayPal email is far more important than being protected from PayPal spam, prevented from employing my own protection. One size does not fit all.
      - MiddleEndian 9mo ago
        Sure, you can manually unmark them as spam, and gmail should respect that preference as well. But for the rest of us, it would be an improvement if Paypal was sent to spam by default until they were forced to stop sending spam.
        vee-kay 9mo ago
        You can just create a filter in Gmail for "Paypal" (keyword match or sender match) to automatically mark such incoming emails as spam. Don't expect Google to blacklist big companies like PayPal, Amazon, etc. They all have partnerships.

by vee-kay 9mo ago

chrisjj 9mo ago

But the suggestion "get marked and reported as spam" can lead to future mails getting junked before even reaching the spam folder.

vee-kay 9mo ago
Agreed. That "Mark as Spam" facility not only moves the offending message into Jink/Spam folder, it also allows the Email Service provider to identify that type of email as spam, so future incoming messages that match that may criteria can be categorized as spam, so they'll go into spam folder automatically, rather than into the Inbox. You can find them in the Jink/Spam folder. However, if thousands of users report same domain or sender as spam, then the email service provider may take stern action, including blocking the sender email id or domain at the server level, so their messages will never reach your mailbox. So you need to be careful what you "Report as Spam". It is different action from "Mark as Spam". "Report as Spam" may also prompt the user to "Block sender", so one must be careful not to block legitimate senders, though this action can usually be undone, as the Mailbox Settings will track the blocked senders so that lost can be corrected by the user if needed. Gmail has a good trick that most users don't know or notice: In the Spam folder, the user can see a warning at the top of each email that explains why Gmail sent it to Spam. So user can figure out why legitimate emails got wrongly flagged as Spam, and can prevent such future legitimate emails from falling into Spam folder: User can do this either by adding the sender to Contacts list (Emails from known Contacts are auto-dumped into Spam folder), or by creating a filter to identify and action that message (flag it as Important, or label it with a custom category label, or move it to a specific subfolder, or forward it to another email ID).
- MiddleEndian 9mo ago
  >However, if thousands of users report same domain or sender as spam, then the email service provider may take stern action, including blocking the sender email id or domain at the server level, so their messages will never reach your mailbox. This is a good thing. If you spam thousands of users, you are a spammer, even if you also happen to send legitimate emails. If anything, it should be applied more broadly. When companies like Walmart or Paypal or LinkedIn or Comcast or whoever spam thousands or millions of people, if Gmail marked all their emails as spam until they stopped, that would be a major quality of life improvement for everyone.
  - chrisjj 9mo ago
    > This is a good thing. If you spam thousands of users, you are a spammer Or you got hacked by a spammer. > even if you also happen to send legitimate emails. And also a bad thing. E.g. for the user losing a critical legit email. > if Gmail marked all their emails as spam until they stopped, that would be a major quality of life improvement for everyone. Sorry absolutely not for everyone. To me, receiving legit PayPal email is far more important than being protected from PayPal spam, prevented from employing my own protection. One size does not fit all.
    - MiddleEndian 9mo ago
      Sure, you can manually unmark them as spam, and gmail should respect that preference as well. But for the rest of us, it would be an improvement if Paypal was sent to spam by default until they were forced to stop sending spam.
      - vee-kay 9mo ago
        You can just create a filter in Gmail for "Paypal" (keyword match or sender match) to automatically mark such incoming emails as spam. Don't expect Google to blacklist big companies like PayPal, Amazon, etc. They all have partnerships.