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> emotionally satisfying I think this is the basic issue: politics is about satisfying objective needs, in terms of allocating public goods and coordinating in

> emotionally satisfying I think this is the basic issue: politics is about satisfying objective needs, in terms of allocating public goods and coordinating independent actors; it's not about satisfying emotional needs. The latter is better done by oneself, or at worst through one's kith or karass, and certainly not at the granfalloon levels at which politics operates.

1718627440 9mo ago
> kith, karass, granfalloon Can you translate these for the not-so-gifted people among as (e.g. me)?
- aebtebeten 9mo ago
  kith: people whom you have chosen to be in your entourage (friends, etc., as opposed to kin) karass: (from "Cat's Cradle", 1963) "a group of people linked in a cosmically significant manner, even when superficial linkages are not evident" granfalloon: (idem) "a false karass; i.e., a group of people who imagine they have a connection that does not really exist. An example is 'Hoosiers'. Hoosiers are people from Indiana, and Hoosiers have no true spiritual destiny in common. They really share little more than a name."
  - gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
    Etymological pedantry: Falloon is roughly Gaelic for "son of a leader", so granfalloon is ... An apt label for the Kennedys? Functional pedantry: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=true&query=Geohot&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=tr... Satisfies my cognitive dissonance needs (from afar :) Somewhat in the same reactionary progressivism bracket as PH. I.e. have to occasionally delve into their code to see how it's working out for them so far :) (American Gen-Z[0] are the new hipsters (middle-middle class formal-education-shunning rebels[1], I hope the HN DAU agrees with me!!) [0]both geohot and PH's son [1]James Dean, Marlon Brando, James Franco.. or at the very least their most popular characters
    - aebtebeten 9mo ago
      ok, so how representative are geohot and PH's son? I'm not seeing much of either over here, but maybe it's just a case of "try that in a small country?" [1] let's not forget "Joe Cool"; but then again maybe he doesn't shun formal education: https://i.pinimg.com/170x/31/59/7d/31597dc97c7c3591ef9e2ac144e50300.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/170x/31/59/7d/31597dc97c7c3591ef9e2ac14... TW Körner on formal education: https://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~twk10/Naked.pdf#page=11 https://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~twk10/Naked.pdf#page=11 > ...since good students mainly educate themselves outside the lecture room, you need not worry that you will influence them too much. Eventually they will outgrow you. The clever ones will make this clear to you but the very clever ones will listen to you as respectfully as ever.
      - gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
        Edit: propaganda https://archive.ph/bZg92 https://archive.ph/bZg92 https://archive.ph/o/bZg92/https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/gen-z-trades-jobs-plumbing-welding-a76b5e43 https://archive.ph/o/bZg92/https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/car... Sorry!! I should have been much more careful with this potentially incendiary stuff.. I'm not saying all gen-Z are hipsters that's dumb. But that the ("anti-elitist") middle middle class is where we might look for the new breed of "hipsters" to replace those Bernie Bros Where we are: intellectual polarization is nowhere as marked as in suburban America.. (Remember Tocqueville!!) >I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America >Among a multitude of men you will find a selfish, mercantile, and trading taste for the discoveries of the mind, which must not be confounded with that disinterested passion which is kindled in the heart of a few. I wouldn't listen to Koerner on this. He might have had a great time pre-college? Did he go to schools where each teacher taught every subject?? My examples above didn't even make it to college.. (Geohot tried long after he got famous, --on the prodding of kith+kin AIUI--, straight into gradschool(!!) but then dropped out again.. Poole had a similar path. I personally know dozens of technically brilliant boys who struggled K-12)
        aebtebeten 9mo ago
        https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/education/learning-from-switzerland-global-delegates-explore-apprenticeship-model/90208292 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/education/learning-from-switzer... ... maybe I should've qualified, as our idea of "formal" has many more tracks? (I also may be the wrong person to talk with about this, as I have both a 4-year degree and a trade, thanks to Aristippus' advice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristippus#:~:text=It%20is%20related,of%20a%20shipwreck%2e https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristippus#:~:text=It%20is%20r... )

1718627440 9mo ago

> kith, karass, granfalloon Can you translate these for the not-so-gifted people among as (e.g. me)?

aebtebeten 9mo ago
kith: people whom you have chosen to be in your entourage (friends, etc., as opposed to kin) karass: (from "Cat's Cradle", 1963) "a group of people linked in a cosmically significant manner, even when superficial linkages are not evident" granfalloon: (idem) "a false karass; i.e., a group of people who imagine they have a connection that does not really exist. An example is 'Hoosiers'. Hoosiers are people from Indiana, and Hoosiers have no true spiritual destiny in common. They really share little more than a name."
- gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
  Etymological pedantry: Falloon is roughly Gaelic for "son of a leader", so granfalloon is ... An apt label for the Kennedys? Functional pedantry: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=true&query=Geohot&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=tr... Satisfies my cognitive dissonance needs (from afar :) Somewhat in the same reactionary progressivism bracket as PH. I.e. have to occasionally delve into their code to see how it's working out for them so far :) (American Gen-Z[0] are the new hipsters (middle-middle class formal-education-shunning rebels[1], I hope the HN DAU agrees with me!!) [0]both geohot and PH's son [1]James Dean, Marlon Brando, James Franco.. or at the very least their most popular characters
  - aebtebeten 9mo ago
    ok, so how representative are geohot and PH's son? I'm not seeing much of either over here, but maybe it's just a case of "try that in a small country?" [1] let's not forget "Joe Cool"; but then again maybe he doesn't shun formal education: https://i.pinimg.com/170x/31/59/7d/31597dc97c7c3591ef9e2ac144e50300.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/170x/31/59/7d/31597dc97c7c3591ef9e2ac14... TW Körner on formal education: https://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~twk10/Naked.pdf#page=11 https://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~twk10/Naked.pdf#page=11 > ...since good students mainly educate themselves outside the lecture room, you need not worry that you will influence them too much. Eventually they will outgrow you. The clever ones will make this clear to you but the very clever ones will listen to you as respectfully as ever.
    - gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
      Edit: propaganda https://archive.ph/bZg92 https://archive.ph/bZg92 https://archive.ph/o/bZg92/https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/gen-z-trades-jobs-plumbing-welding-a76b5e43 https://archive.ph/o/bZg92/https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/car... Sorry!! I should have been much more careful with this potentially incendiary stuff.. I'm not saying all gen-Z are hipsters that's dumb. But that the ("anti-elitist") middle middle class is where we might look for the new breed of "hipsters" to replace those Bernie Bros Where we are: intellectual polarization is nowhere as marked as in suburban America.. (Remember Tocqueville!!) >I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America >Among a multitude of men you will find a selfish, mercantile, and trading taste for the discoveries of the mind, which must not be confounded with that disinterested passion which is kindled in the heart of a few. I wouldn't listen to Koerner on this. He might have had a great time pre-college? Did he go to schools where each teacher taught every subject?? My examples above didn't even make it to college.. (Geohot tried long after he got famous, --on the prodding of kith+kin AIUI--, straight into gradschool(!!) but then dropped out again.. Poole had a similar path. I personally know dozens of technically brilliant boys who struggled K-12)
      - aebtebeten 9mo ago
        https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/education/learning-from-switzerland-global-delegates-explore-apprenticeship-model/90208292 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/education/learning-from-switzer... ... maybe I should've qualified, as our idea of "formal" has many more tracks? (I also may be the wrong person to talk with about this, as I have both a 4-year degree and a trade, thanks to Aristippus' advice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristippus#:~:text=It%20is%20related,of%20a%20shipwreck%2e https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristippus#:~:text=It%20is%20r... )