It has unfortunate, unintended side-meaning sometimes, but groups tend to grab the flag they can. The cinder/processing/max-msp-jitter-pd/demo scene grabbed "cr

It has unfortunate, unintended side-meaning sometimes, but groups tend to grab the flag they can. The cinder/processing/max-msp-jitter-pd/demo scene grabbed "creative coder" as their moniker a while back, and it's probably too late to change it - and it does make sense, if you view it from the vantage point that creative coding" is the core activity of making a specific type of audio/visual artifact (or just art, or even Fine Art) - which people usually group with art/Art, so it fits. You can always get bent out of shape about what people end up calling things... I mostly got over it back in the "web master" days. Sites to peruse about "creative" coding &/|| that support for the contention that cc is an established term: http://www.creativeapplications.net http://www.creativeapplications.net http://creativecodingpodcast.com http://creativecodingpodcast.com http://cplus.about.com/b/2010/12/09/what-is-creative-coding.htm http://cplus.about.com/b/2010/12/09/what-is-creative-coding.... http://createdigitalmotion.com http://createdigitalmotion.com But I'll also agree with you, remember & underscore that much programing is inherently creative: http://lifedev.net/2008/07/programmer-creativity-boost/ http://lifedev.net/2008/07/programmer-creativity-boost/ I'm using Fine Art/Art as shorthand for "arts existing within the historical institutional context of galleries, academies, collectors and museums" (which is what most people mean when they capitalize art, I think, even if they wouldn't necessarily say it that way)