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What makes you think the army will go along with it? Sure some will, but expect many soldiers will rebel.

by bluGill 10mo ago

scotty79 10mo ago
Army goes along with anyone that ensures continual financing of the army. Review history of any putsch ever.
- ben_w 10mo ago
  The current US administration is not competent to ensure continual financing in real terms. If the White House keeps up current threats against allies it may find nobody willing to lend them money, and therefore the government will be forced to inflate its way to balancing the books each year; if they follow through with kicking out the undocumented migrant workers (even if they improve their current behaviour and limit themselves to *only* undocumented migrant workers), they mess up US agriculture at the same time; there is also visible corruption and self-dealing within the government. The question is the level, rather than the existence of these factors. There's been another authoritarian in my lifetime who messed with farms by actually kicking out non-native people in the way Trump threatens, demonstrating even worse corruption, and that actually did try to fund the government with inflation rather than my hypothetical of "will be forced to": Mugabe. It didn't go well for Zimbabwe, and the US military can observe what happened there and decide if that's what they want to see in the US.
mrguyorama 10mo ago
They went along with Iraq despite knowing it was a lie. "We knew they didn't have weapons of mass destruction when we rolled up and didn't immediately get gassed"
_DeadFred_ 10mo ago
The Navy is currently blowing up random boats in the Caribbean (including double taps on survivors) because reasons.
- ben_w 10mo ago
  Sure, and from what I hear that's at the level of "war crimes", but those civilians the US armed forces are killing aren't US civilians. People sign up for a variety of reasons; to keep their own safe is one of them, and that reason is incompatible with being the aggressor in a civil war.
  - _DeadFred_ 10mo ago
    Bro the way you brush off the US military already moving into the 'murderous war crimes' phase and thinking there is an upper bounds of the direction already in motion. Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'? Edit: A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carry, and his largest crime appears to have been traffic tickets. Prior to shooting him to death they were video'd pistol whipping his face. These people are just fine with murdering Americans.
    - ben_w 10mo ago
      > Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'? As I'm not American, I was already in the set of people they'd be willing to kill when ordered. Are *the military* more likely to kill other Americans today? I do not think so. But as I'm not American, I'm more worried that the chance of a B83 heading my way has gone from "No way!" to "3%". > A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carry There was a kid a few years back, killed for a toy in an open-carry state. My country of birth is not, contrary to what some claim, envious of the 2nd amendment; rather, it is glad to ban firearms. Even so, we see the hypocricy of killing those who exercise their rights.
      - _DeadFred_ 10mo ago
        Americans harassed my mom for wearing a mask during COVID when she was going through cancer treatment. They would rather she just died than 1. They wear masks 2. Be made to feel bad they didn't care about her dying. The grocery store she shopped at literally had to setup special hours people like my mom could shop without being harassed and pushed to tears. She died knowing most of her community didn't care if she died if it inconvenienced them. 1 million Americans died and today they say 'COVID wasn't a thing'. 1 million Americans died and they say it's nothing. Americans don't care who dies. They/we are fucking trash now. My grandfathers' generation were good people but whoever we are now, we are so lost. I grew up on Star Trek TNG American ideals and grew up Catholic and believing in the 'be kind' parts and thought my neighbors shared that but they don't.
bdangubic 10mo ago
0 of them will “rebel”

What makes you think the army will go along with it? Sure some will, but expect many soldiers will rebel.

by bluGill 10mo ago

What makes you think the army will go along with it? Sure some will, but expect many soldiers will rebel.

scotty79 10mo ago

Army goes along with anyone that ensures continual financing of the army. Review history of any putsch ever.

ben_w 10mo ago
The current US administration is not competent to ensure continual financing in real terms. If the White House keeps up current threats against allies it may find nobody willing to lend them money, and therefore the government will be forced to inflate its way to balancing the books each year; if they follow through with kicking out the undocumented migrant workers (even if they improve their current behaviour and limit themselves to *only* undocumented migrant workers), they mess up US agriculture at the same time; there is also visible corruption and self-dealing within the government. The question is the level, rather than the existence of these factors. There's been another authoritarian in my lifetime who messed with farms by actually kicking out non-native people in the way Trump threatens, demonstrating even worse corruption, and that actually did try to fund the government with inflation rather than my hypothetical of "will be forced to": Mugabe. It didn't go well for Zimbabwe, and the US military can observe what happened there and decide if that's what they want to see in the US.

mrguyorama 10mo ago

They went along with Iraq despite knowing it was a lie. "We knew they didn't have weapons of mass destruction when we rolled up and didn't immediately get gassed"

_DeadFred_ 10mo ago

The Navy is currently blowing up random boats in the Caribbean (including double taps on survivors) because reasons.

ben_w 10mo ago
Sure, and from what I hear that's at the level of "war crimes", but those civilians the US armed forces are killing aren't US civilians. People sign up for a variety of reasons; to keep their own safe is one of them, and that reason is incompatible with being the aggressor in a civil war.
- _DeadFred_ 10mo ago
  Bro the way you brush off the US military already moving into the 'murderous war crimes' phase and thinking there is an upper bounds of the direction already in motion. Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'? Edit: A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carry, and his largest crime appears to have been traffic tickets. Prior to shooting him to death they were video'd pistol whipping his face. These people are just fine with murdering Americans.
  - ben_w 10mo ago
    > Did you think you would ever so casually brush off the US Navy straight murdering people with 'sure, we're doing that but...'? As I'm not American, I was already in the set of people they'd be willing to kill when ordered. Are *the military* more likely to kill other Americans today? I do not think so. But as I'm not American, I'm more worried that the chance of a B83 heading my way has gone from "No way!" to "3%". > A large group of Federal agents just murdered a 37 something American on the street, on video. He had a permit to carry There was a kid a few years back, killed for a toy in an open-carry state. My country of birth is not, contrary to what some claim, envious of the 2nd amendment; rather, it is glad to ban firearms. Even so, we see the hypocricy of killing those who exercise their rights.
    - _DeadFred_ 10mo ago
      Americans harassed my mom for wearing a mask during COVID when she was going through cancer treatment. They would rather she just died than 1. They wear masks 2. Be made to feel bad they didn't care about her dying. The grocery store she shopped at literally had to setup special hours people like my mom could shop without being harassed and pushed to tears. She died knowing most of her community didn't care if she died if it inconvenienced them. 1 million Americans died and today they say 'COVID wasn't a thing'. 1 million Americans died and they say it's nothing. Americans don't care who dies. They/we are fucking trash now. My grandfathers' generation were good people but whoever we are now, we are so lost. I grew up on Star Trek TNG American ideals and grew up Catholic and believing in the 'be kind' parts and thought my neighbors shared that but they don't.

bdangubic 10mo ago

0 of them will “rebel”