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Reading the intro, I feel like I got a good hint about what this is. It sounded like "local first git for teams, without the hell of sharing patches via email".

Reading the intro, I feel like I got a good hint about what this is. It sounded like "local first git for teams, without the hell of sharing patches via email". I don't know what gitea or forgejo are, so comparisons wouldn't help me.

causalscience 9mo ago
I can tell you. Forgejo is a git server (i.e. you can push to a remove that lives in a different machine) plus a web GUI that allows to list repos, list commits within a repo, navigate commits and files within a commit. The license is Free and Copyleft.
- zamalek 9mo ago
  You still have to run it on a server somewhere, which Nintendo can get shut down.
  - overfeed 9mo ago
    Nintendo can't shutdown your git server if it's running on a Raspberry Pi in your pantry, or a NAS appliance in your home office/basement. As a matter of fact, Forgejo/Gitea are excellent choices for automatic mirroring of any Git repos you fear may be shutdown by DMCA shenanigans.
    - saurik 9mo ago
      But if people can't find it, then they can't download the code or contribute to the project. And if people can find it, then there is no need to physically wrest your device out of your home: they'll just get your domain name taken away or your ISP to block the connections (at best, if not entirely shut you down).
      - iamnothere 9mo ago
        That’s why you host over Tor with an .onion domain. Immune to takedowns.
        __david__ 9mo ago
        Correct. Just ask the Silk Road guy…
    - lorenzleutgeb 9mo ago
      Right. Radicle would be one way to connect all these Raspberry Pis in many pantries together, and have them replicate each others repos. It also enables others to send patches, without first having to create an account on that Raspberry Pi in your pantry. And in case your Raspberry Pi is offline, others will just as happily serve your project, with cryptographic assurance that it wasn't modified. Don't get me wrong. Power to you and your Raspberry Pi! Radicle invites you to join a network of people that solve the same problem as you do, and pool resources.
      - overfeed 9mo ago
        I wasn't shitting on Radicle - I think centralized Git is antithetical to the D in DVCS.
        yjftsjthsd-h 9mo ago
        In what way is git antithetical to being distributed? Github, sure, but git itself seems fine.
        dtj1123 9mo ago
        The key word here is "centralized".
        yjftsjthsd-h 9mo ago
        Oops, you're right I don't know how I missed that word when reading it
    - zamalek 9mo ago
      They can get you arrested, and you wouldn't be their first.
      - mistercheph 9mo ago
        Just like the MPAA is having people arrested for torrenting films? It doesn't scale well unless there's a centralized entity you can go after that controls distribution.
    - deleted 9mo ago
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  - badsectoracula 9mo ago
    Nintendo (or whoever) will shutdown whatever users visit to download the thing they want gone. From a skim through the user guide, Radicle seems to only handle the dev/backend side of things and Nintendo wouldn't care that much about it. After all there are already several git mirrors of Yuzu, what was lost was the official "download this" page and the centralized Github bits (issues, etc), though other projects could like handle this bit just fine either as addons (Forgejo) or natively (like the Fossil SCM).
    - zamalek 9mo ago
      Ultimately what you'd do is distribute Yuzu with torrents, less convenient but can't be shut down. Then the obvious choice is to also distribute the code with torrents, which is what Radicle is (at least spiritually) - plus it has the most essential forge features (PRs and issues). And Nintendo is merely a convenient example that would have a chance of affecting you directly. Just like .onion these projects protect many different kinds of freedoms beyond what EFF would likely defend (sadly, that goes for the immoral stuff too). Chinese citizens collaborating on anticensorship software, for example.
TeMPOraL 9mo ago
The other day someone here coined JTPP - "Just the prompt, please", expressing preference for reading the prompt instead of the e-mail/article it produced. The reasons for that are rather obvious, but I think it applies to marketing copy in general. With that in mind, I wonder what the original idea behind this project was - the "prompt" that someone got in their mind, which got them excited enough to build this. Reading the "original prompt" might make it easier to figure the product out. Marketing copy is "how we can make what we have look more alluring to people". The "original prompt" is directly answering "what we actually aspired to build".
- mistercheph 9mo ago
  P2P Github
- zenoprax 9mo ago
  "make a thing that works like github but doesn't need github or email" I wrote that as a joke but now that I'm reading it... even a terrible prompt might be useful.
  - flir 9mo ago
    Changed "make a thing" to "describe a tool" and got a raft of text back that I couldn't be bothered to think about, because it's not my space. This jumped out though: "## Existing things that almost do this (but don’t go far enough) * Radicle – closest philosophically [...]" So it seems to me that you succinctly described Radicle - at least well enough for an LLM to recognize it.
OkayPhysicist 9mo ago
In case anyone is reading this and is merely looking for "local first git for teams, without the hell of sharing patches via email", the solution to this is to establish an empty repository (git init --bare --shared=group) in any mountable shared storage you have, and then setting that repository as the remote for your local branches.

causalscience 9mo ago

I can tell you. Forgejo is a git server (i.e. you can push to a remove that lives in a different machine) plus a web GUI that allows to list repos, list commits within a repo, navigate commits and files within a commit. The license is Free and Copyleft.

zamalek 9mo ago
You still have to run it on a server somewhere, which Nintendo can get shut down.
- overfeed 9mo ago
  Nintendo can't shutdown your git server if it's running on a Raspberry Pi in your pantry, or a NAS appliance in your home office/basement. As a matter of fact, Forgejo/Gitea are excellent choices for automatic mirroring of any Git repos you fear may be shutdown by DMCA shenanigans.
  - saurik 9mo ago
    But if people can't find it, then they can't download the code or contribute to the project. And if people can find it, then there is no need to physically wrest your device out of your home: they'll just get your domain name taken away or your ISP to block the connections (at best, if not entirely shut you down).
    - iamnothere 9mo ago
      That’s why you host over Tor with an .onion domain. Immune to takedowns.
      - __david__ 9mo ago
        Correct. Just ask the Silk Road guy…
  - lorenzleutgeb 9mo ago
    Right. Radicle would be one way to connect all these Raspberry Pis in many pantries together, and have them replicate each others repos. It also enables others to send patches, without first having to create an account on that Raspberry Pi in your pantry. And in case your Raspberry Pi is offline, others will just as happily serve your project, with cryptographic assurance that it wasn't modified. Don't get me wrong. Power to you and your Raspberry Pi! Radicle invites you to join a network of people that solve the same problem as you do, and pool resources.
    - overfeed 9mo ago
      I wasn't shitting on Radicle - I think centralized Git is antithetical to the D in DVCS.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 9mo ago
        In what way is git antithetical to being distributed? Github, sure, but git itself seems fine.
        dtj1123 9mo ago
        The key word here is "centralized".
        yjftsjthsd-h 9mo ago
        Oops, you're right I don't know how I missed that word when reading it
  - zamalek 9mo ago
    They can get you arrested, and you wouldn't be their first.
    - mistercheph 9mo ago
      Just like the MPAA is having people arrested for torrenting films? It doesn't scale well unless there's a centralized entity you can go after that controls distribution.
  - deleted 9mo ago
    [deleted]
- badsectoracula 9mo ago
  Nintendo (or whoever) will shutdown whatever users visit to download the thing they want gone. From a skim through the user guide, Radicle seems to only handle the dev/backend side of things and Nintendo wouldn't care that much about it. After all there are already several git mirrors of Yuzu, what was lost was the official "download this" page and the centralized Github bits (issues, etc), though other projects could like handle this bit just fine either as addons (Forgejo) or natively (like the Fossil SCM).
  - zamalek 9mo ago
    Ultimately what you'd do is distribute Yuzu with torrents, less convenient but can't be shut down. Then the obvious choice is to also distribute the code with torrents, which is what Radicle is (at least spiritually) - plus it has the most essential forge features (PRs and issues). And Nintendo is merely a convenient example that would have a chance of affecting you directly. Just like .onion these projects protect many different kinds of freedoms beyond what EFF would likely defend (sadly, that goes for the immoral stuff too). Chinese citizens collaborating on anticensorship software, for example.

TeMPOraL 9mo ago

The other day someone here coined JTPP - "Just the prompt, please", expressing preference for reading the prompt instead of the e-mail/article it produced. The reasons for that are rather obvious, but I think it applies to marketing copy in general. With that in mind, I wonder what the original idea behind this project was - the "prompt" that someone got in their mind, which got them excited enough to build this. Reading the "original prompt" might make it easier to figure the product out. Marketing copy is "how we can make what we have look more alluring to people". The "original prompt" is directly answering "what we actually aspired to build".

mistercheph 9mo ago
P2P Github
zenoprax 9mo ago
"make a thing that works like github but doesn't need github or email" I wrote that as a joke but now that I'm reading it... even a terrible prompt might be useful.
- flir 9mo ago
  Changed "make a thing" to "describe a tool" and got a raft of text back that I couldn't be bothered to think about, because it's not my space. This jumped out though: "## Existing things that almost do this (but don’t go far enough) * Radicle – closest philosophically [...]" So it seems to me that you succinctly described Radicle - at least well enough for an LLM to recognize it.

OkayPhysicist 9mo ago

In case anyone is reading this and is merely looking for "local first git for teams, without the hell of sharing patches via email", the solution to this is to establish an empty repository (git init --bare --shared=group) in any mountable shared storage you have, and then setting that repository as the remote for your local branches.