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How many allegations of fraud need to be taken to court and dismissed before it’s no longer conceivable that this is a good faith non-partisan search for eviden

How many allegations of fraud need to be taken to court and dismissed before it’s no longer conceivable that this is a good faith non-partisan search for evidence of fraud?

gruez 9mo ago
>The actual election fraud allegations are probably spurious
- tshaddox 9mo ago
  Sure, and my point is that we shouldn't apologize for people deliberately "investigating" bogus allegations on the grounds that investigating legitimate allegations is a good thing.
  - gruez 9mo ago
    >Sure, and my point is that we shouldn't apologize for people deliberately "investigating" bogus allegations But I'm not "apologizing" for them? I'm pushing back on OP's phrasing of "they did it with the intention of overturning elections". It's possible to push back on some person's criticism of [bad guy] without being accused of "apologizing" for [bad guy]. From my original comment: >we shouldn't be trying imply that intending to overturn elections in cases of fraud is bad in and of itself See also my sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46734439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46734439
    - tshaddox 9mo ago
      You said "The badness comes from inappropriate access to the data, not trying to find evidence of fraud." I disagree. I think that a blatantly bad faith partisan investigation demanded by a politician who stands for gain and executed by public servants would be bad even if they didn't inappropriately access this data. Both things are bad and would be still be bad independent of one another.
      - gruez 9mo ago
        >I think that a blatantly bad faith partisan investigation Sounds like you agree with me, because you're still not objecting to my original premise of "we shouldn't be trying imply that intending to overturn elections in cases of fraud is bad in and of itself". You might think "bad faith partisan investigation" is bad, but not the act of trying to overturn elections itself.
        tshaddox 9mo ago
        You explicitly applied it to this investigation, saying the investigation itself was not bad. If you intend to weaken your claim to "not all conceivable investigations of election fraud are bad," then yes, I agree, but that's such an extraneous comment that I would question the intent of including it.
        gruez 9mo ago
        >You explicitly applied it to this investigation, saying the investigation itself was not bad. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion given what I wrote was: >we shouldn't be trying imply that intending to overturn elections in cases of fraud is bad in and of itself

How many allegations of fraud need to be taken to court and dismissed before it’s no longer conceivable that this is a good faith non-partisan search for evidence of fraud?

gruez 9mo ago

>The actual election fraud allegations are probably spurious

tshaddox 9mo ago
Sure, and my point is that we shouldn't apologize for people deliberately "investigating" bogus allegations on the grounds that investigating legitimate allegations is a good thing.
- gruez 9mo ago
  >Sure, and my point is that we shouldn't apologize for people deliberately "investigating" bogus allegations But I'm not "apologizing" for them? I'm pushing back on OP's phrasing of "they did it with the intention of overturning elections". It's possible to push back on some person's criticism of [bad guy] without being accused of "apologizing" for [bad guy]. From my original comment: >we shouldn't be trying imply that intending to overturn elections in cases of fraud is bad in and of itself See also my sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46734439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46734439
  - tshaddox 9mo ago
    You said "The badness comes from inappropriate access to the data, not trying to find evidence of fraud." I disagree. I think that a blatantly bad faith partisan investigation demanded by a politician who stands for gain and executed by public servants would be bad even if they didn't inappropriately access this data. Both things are bad and would be still be bad independent of one another.
    - gruez 9mo ago
      >I think that a blatantly bad faith partisan investigation Sounds like you agree with me, because you're still not objecting to my original premise of "we shouldn't be trying imply that intending to overturn elections in cases of fraud is bad in and of itself". You might think "bad faith partisan investigation" is bad, but not the act of trying to overturn elections itself.
      - tshaddox 9mo ago
        You explicitly applied it to this investigation, saying the investigation itself was not bad. If you intend to weaken your claim to "not all conceivable investigations of election fraud are bad," then yes, I agree, but that's such an extraneous comment that I would question the intent of including it.
        gruez 9mo ago
        >You explicitly applied it to this investigation, saying the investigation itself was not bad. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion given what I wrote was: >we shouldn't be trying imply that intending to overturn elections in cases of fraud is bad in and of itself