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I really hope the Proton PMs are watching this. Their main business offerings are privacy and security. The fact that they were able to pull customers away fro

I really hope the Proton PMs are watching this. Their main business offerings are privacy and security. The fact that they were able to pull customers away from Google shows that switching costs are low. Your reputation is your moat. If you ruin it by acting like Google, you're filling your own moat.

vee-kay 9mo ago
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- prussia 9mo ago
  Terrorist attacks and perverts are every government's excuse to crack down on freedom. Refusing to comply with an authoritarian government like India's is a plus in my book.
  - vee-kay 9mo ago
    Your plus is someone else's minus. Of course, if you or your family are not the victim of a terror attack, you may not care if others are impacted by it. After 9/11, USA did the biggest crackdown on terror, including domestic security overhaul such as stringent security checks in airports, more pervasive surveillance, etc. Microsoft has recently given FBI recovery keys for Bitlocker to unlock a suspect's laptops: https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/23/microsoft-gave-fbi-a-set-of-bitlocker-encryption-keys-to-unlock-suspects-laptops-reports/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/23/microsoft-gave-fbi-a-set-o... And this was for fraud investigation, not even a terror investigation case. Every nation responds to repeated terror attacks in a similar way. Increased surveillance, increased scrutiny, increased vigilance, retaliatory strikes. What do you expect? Let terror attacks happen, try not to prevent them, try not to retaliate at terrorist networks and nests? You live in a cosy idealistic world, if you think that terrorism can be handled by ignoring it or its mechanisms of communication.
    - pluralmonad 9mo ago
      "Every nation takes advantage of the opportunities that are terrorist attacks in a similar way" If you think these crackdowns are for your own good, then it is you that lives in an idealized world.
      - vee-kay 9mo ago
        Please stop defending terror supporter companies, with such illogical statements. You have no clue what idealism means. An ideal world is one where no terror attacks happen. Proton has been actively campaigning against police and government in a terror prone region. Proton is openly encouraging terrorists to evade scrutiny. If you support terrorism under any pretext, then we are done here.
        GeorgeOldfield 9mo ago
        you're using a false dichotomy to hold the conversation hostage. it's possible to want to stop terrorism without handing a blank check to an authoritarian state.
- matheusmoreira 9mo ago
  "Government scrutiny" ? What a bunch of bullshit. If anything this enhances Proton's reputation. If so called "terrorists and perverts" trust it to the point they rely on it for their own security, then it's worth serious consideration. Nobody wants to use cryptography that some indian government can subvert.
  - vee-kay 9mo ago
    Next time there is a mass shooting or terrorist bomb blast in your neighborhood, I hope you can look at a poster of Proton VPN on your bedroom wall, and feel safe. And then when you find out the police are going door to door to investigate the terror attack, you should start distributing printouts of an ad of Proton VPN urging locals on how to evade police/government scrutiny via Proton VPN. See how that works out for you. You will be arrested as a terror sympathiser. No surprises why. It's because terrorists use VPNs to evade scrutiny, and the last thing that any respectable company or civilian should be doing is to openly associate themselves with terrorism, which is what Proton has done. Proton (or any legitimate company, for that matter) has no business doing subversive activities in terror sensitive areas like J&K. If they do, then they need to face the repercussions. https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-general-manager-encourages-discreet-use-of-app-in-jk-raises-grave-question-of-responsibility/ https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-ge...
    - margalabargala 9mo ago
      > You will be arrested as a terror sympathiser. I'm not sure where you live but in most of the world you will not in fact be arrested as a terrorist sympathizer for advertising VPNs.
    - matheusmoreira 9mo ago
      Total bullshit. If people start shooting and bombing, then you pick up your weapons and you kill them. You don't get to mass "scrutinize" random citizens by eavesdropping on their private communications just because terrorists might be hiding among them. If you do this, you are the terrorist and anyone who resists you has the moral high ground. Cryptography and anonymization technology are merely one of many forms of self-defense against your tyranny.
- bigyabai 9mo ago
  > because it was found that terrorists and perverts were using it for terror communications and digital sexual abuse. Lol, nondescript "terrorists and perverts" are the laughingstock of Western politics. Eyes roll whenever someone justifies drastic action on vague terrorism/perversion accusations: https://youtu.be/ud9zBKJJQe4 https://youtu.be/ud9zBKJJQe4 My bigger concern is Modi's international reputation for exacerbating crime statistics to manufacture consent for authoritarian policy. We've seen our fair share of that here in America and it's not a positive influence on national politics. So much so that we can't trust our own email providers to be secure.
  - vee-kay 9mo ago
    Please stay on topic. J&K has long been a target of terror attacks. Long before Modi as PM. Proton has no business inciting terrorists in known terrorist hotspots to evade the government.
    - bigyabai 9mo ago
      Privacy is the topic.
  - deleted 9mo ago
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  - vee-kay 9mo ago
    People living in glass houses should not throw stones on others. I am going to use your own words to show you the mirror now.. Your America and its democratically-voted (even if we can call gerrymandering such) orange dictator have become the "laughingstock of Western politics". The "war on terror" excuse to do wars for oil, was coined by "Western politic(ian)s", "exacerbating" to "manufacture consent for authoritarian policy". Recent example: Venezuela. It is pure greed and evil for a rich nation to seize a struggling country for its oil (struggling because of sanctions to prevent it from selling its oil legally). "Eyes roll whenever someone justifies drastic action on foreign nations based on vague pretexts/accusations". Older example: Did the USA/NATO ever find those "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq? Oh wait, the WMDs were there, because they brought them there.. to wage that war.. war not on terror... but war for oil. They didn't find any WMDs, but they certainly quickly found those rich oilfields, and then systematically looted them.. and finally set them on fire, when retreating.. from the war they started.. knowing that without that precious oil, the natives of that desert land will struggle to limp back to normalcy, especially with a Western puppet as a "democratic leader" for "positive influence on national politics". Such tactics are not "a positive influence" on the world, because the world hates bullies. And thieves.
- BafS 9mo ago
  It's time for the famous quote "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin Edit: format
  - vee-kay 9mo ago
    I will respond to a quote with another famous quote: “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." The only ways to prevent terror attacks is by either going deep undercover into terror organisations, or by doing surveillance and investigation on suspected terror links.
    - pluralmonad 9mo ago
      So in the case discussed above, every single person is a suspected terror link? I no longer think you're here in good faith.
      - vee-kay 9mo ago
        What case discussed above? You have not discussed any case here. And the links I shared in my original comments show a dangerous situation, not a "case". Proton has been actively campaigning against police and government in a terror prone region. Proton is openly encouraging terrorists to evade scrutiny. Proton (or any legitimate company, for that matter) has no business doing subversive activities in terror sensitive areas like J&K. If they do, then they need to face the repercussions. https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-general-manager-encourages-discreet-use-of-app-in-jk-raises-grave-question-of-responsibility/ https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-ge... If you support terrorism under any pretext, then we are done here.
    - aprentic 9mo ago
      If we're comparing quotes, I think Ben Franklin carries more weight the Sam Atkinson.

vee-kay 9mo ago

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prussia 9mo ago
Terrorist attacks and perverts are every government's excuse to crack down on freedom. Refusing to comply with an authoritarian government like India's is a plus in my book.
- vee-kay 9mo ago
  Your plus is someone else's minus. Of course, if you or your family are not the victim of a terror attack, you may not care if others are impacted by it. After 9/11, USA did the biggest crackdown on terror, including domestic security overhaul such as stringent security checks in airports, more pervasive surveillance, etc. Microsoft has recently given FBI recovery keys for Bitlocker to unlock a suspect's laptops: https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/23/microsoft-gave-fbi-a-set-of-bitlocker-encryption-keys-to-unlock-suspects-laptops-reports/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/23/microsoft-gave-fbi-a-set-o... And this was for fraud investigation, not even a terror investigation case. Every nation responds to repeated terror attacks in a similar way. Increased surveillance, increased scrutiny, increased vigilance, retaliatory strikes. What do you expect? Let terror attacks happen, try not to prevent them, try not to retaliate at terrorist networks and nests? You live in a cosy idealistic world, if you think that terrorism can be handled by ignoring it or its mechanisms of communication.
  - pluralmonad 9mo ago
    "Every nation takes advantage of the opportunities that are terrorist attacks in a similar way" If you think these crackdowns are for your own good, then it is you that lives in an idealized world.
    - vee-kay 9mo ago
      Please stop defending terror supporter companies, with such illogical statements. You have no clue what idealism means. An ideal world is one where no terror attacks happen. Proton has been actively campaigning against police and government in a terror prone region. Proton is openly encouraging terrorists to evade scrutiny. If you support terrorism under any pretext, then we are done here.
      - GeorgeOldfield 9mo ago
        you're using a false dichotomy to hold the conversation hostage. it's possible to want to stop terrorism without handing a blank check to an authoritarian state.
matheusmoreira 9mo ago
"Government scrutiny" ? What a bunch of bullshit. If anything this enhances Proton's reputation. If so called "terrorists and perverts" trust it to the point they rely on it for their own security, then it's worth serious consideration. Nobody wants to use cryptography that some indian government can subvert.
- vee-kay 9mo ago
  Next time there is a mass shooting or terrorist bomb blast in your neighborhood, I hope you can look at a poster of Proton VPN on your bedroom wall, and feel safe. And then when you find out the police are going door to door to investigate the terror attack, you should start distributing printouts of an ad of Proton VPN urging locals on how to evade police/government scrutiny via Proton VPN. See how that works out for you. You will be arrested as a terror sympathiser. No surprises why. It's because terrorists use VPNs to evade scrutiny, and the last thing that any respectable company or civilian should be doing is to openly associate themselves with terrorism, which is what Proton has done. Proton (or any legitimate company, for that matter) has no business doing subversive activities in terror sensitive areas like J&K. If they do, then they need to face the repercussions. https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-general-manager-encourages-discreet-use-of-app-in-jk-raises-grave-question-of-responsibility/ https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-ge...
  - margalabargala 9mo ago
    > You will be arrested as a terror sympathiser. I'm not sure where you live but in most of the world you will not in fact be arrested as a terrorist sympathizer for advertising VPNs.
  - matheusmoreira 9mo ago
    Total bullshit. If people start shooting and bombing, then you pick up your weapons and you kill them. You don't get to mass "scrutinize" random citizens by eavesdropping on their private communications just because terrorists might be hiding among them. If you do this, you are the terrorist and anyone who resists you has the moral high ground. Cryptography and anonymization technology are merely one of many forms of self-defense against your tyranny.
bigyabai 9mo ago
> because it was found that terrorists and perverts were using it for terror communications and digital sexual abuse. Lol, nondescript "terrorists and perverts" are the laughingstock of Western politics. Eyes roll whenever someone justifies drastic action on vague terrorism/perversion accusations: https://youtu.be/ud9zBKJJQe4 https://youtu.be/ud9zBKJJQe4 My bigger concern is Modi's international reputation for exacerbating crime statistics to manufacture consent for authoritarian policy. We've seen our fair share of that here in America and it's not a positive influence on national politics. So much so that we can't trust our own email providers to be secure.
- vee-kay 9mo ago
  Please stay on topic. J&K has long been a target of terror attacks. Long before Modi as PM. Proton has no business inciting terrorists in known terrorist hotspots to evade the government.
  - bigyabai 9mo ago
    Privacy is the topic.
- deleted 9mo ago
  [deleted]
- vee-kay 9mo ago
  People living in glass houses should not throw stones on others. I am going to use your own words to show you the mirror now.. Your America and its democratically-voted (even if we can call gerrymandering such) orange dictator have become the "laughingstock of Western politics". The "war on terror" excuse to do wars for oil, was coined by "Western politic(ian)s", "exacerbating" to "manufacture consent for authoritarian policy". Recent example: Venezuela. It is pure greed and evil for a rich nation to seize a struggling country for its oil (struggling because of sanctions to prevent it from selling its oil legally). "Eyes roll whenever someone justifies drastic action on foreign nations based on vague pretexts/accusations". Older example: Did the USA/NATO ever find those "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq? Oh wait, the WMDs were there, because they brought them there.. to wage that war.. war not on terror... but war for oil. They didn't find any WMDs, but they certainly quickly found those rich oilfields, and then systematically looted them.. and finally set them on fire, when retreating.. from the war they started.. knowing that without that precious oil, the natives of that desert land will struggle to limp back to normalcy, especially with a Western puppet as a "democratic leader" for "positive influence on national politics". Such tactics are not "a positive influence" on the world, because the world hates bullies. And thieves.
BafS 9mo ago
It's time for the famous quote "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin Edit: format
- vee-kay 9mo ago
  I will respond to a quote with another famous quote: “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." The only ways to prevent terror attacks is by either going deep undercover into terror organisations, or by doing surveillance and investigation on suspected terror links.
  - pluralmonad 9mo ago
    So in the case discussed above, every single person is a suspected terror link? I no longer think you're here in good faith.
    - vee-kay 9mo ago
      What case discussed above? You have not discussed any case here. And the links I shared in my original comments show a dangerous situation, not a "case". Proton has been actively campaigning against police and government in a terror prone region. Proton is openly encouraging terrorists to evade scrutiny. Proton (or any legitimate company, for that matter) has no business doing subversive activities in terror sensitive areas like J&K. If they do, then they need to face the repercussions. https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-general-manager-encourages-discreet-use-of-app-in-jk-raises-grave-question-of-responsibility/ https://tfipost.com/2026/01/profit-over-people-proton-vpn-ge... If you support terrorism under any pretext, then we are done here.
  - aprentic 9mo ago
    If we're comparing quotes, I think Ben Franklin carries more weight the Sam Atkinson.