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I haven't updated to iOS6. I was worried that google maps would be deleted from my iPad and replaced with apple maps. I do not want this. I heard somethings ab

by bobsy 14y ago

I haven't updated to iOS6. I was worried that google maps would be deleted from my iPad and replaced with apple maps. I do not want this. I heard somethings about Safari being buggy.. I didn't really want this either as I only really use my iPad to surf the web. I was concerned about the memory footprint. As I understand it app's now download retina resources whether you have a retina iPad or not. I have limited space on my iPad. It runs fine at the moment. I didn't see any reason to update.

masklinn 14y ago
> I haven't updated to iOS6. I was worried that google maps would be deleted from my iPad and replaced with apple maps. I do not want this. I'm also waiting for 6.1 at least to see how Apple Maps will evolve, I have no sense of direction whatsoever so I need maps to show me where I am, and Apple Maps still seems a bit too risky for now. It's possible to use the Google Maps site directly, but in my tests it's less responsive and the geolocation doesn't work as well as in the application itself. > I heard somethings about Safari being buggy.. I didn't really want this either as I only really use my iPad to surf the web. I've seen developer reports, but no reports of user issues. Quite the opposite, webkit's been updated in iOS6 so Safari is apparently significantly faster. > I was concerned about the memory footprint. As I understand it app's now download retina resources whether you have a retina iPad or not. It's always done that (ever since the release of the original iPad and the creation of "hybrid" iPhone/iPad applications), the version of iOS you're running is completely irrelevant to that issue: if you're running an application compatible with all iOS devices (3GS to iPad 3 at native resolutions) it may very well bundle 4 different copies of bitmapped assets (or even 5 for e.g. startup screens, since the iPhone 5 has a different resolution than the 4/4S). I don't believe iOS AppStore bundles have every been stripped. I'm not even sure they could be since they're signed (unless you jailbreak).
- demallien 14y ago
  Just as a data point on this whole Maps thing, Apple Maps in iOS 6 has already saved me on numerous occassions in the US and Europe. In Europe, I had a dedicated Garmin Nuvi, but it was Maps that got me to the the tiny village in Alsace. In the US I had a dedicated TomTom, but it was Maps that was able to correctly locate sites of interest for Civil War fans (Eastern Theater). Both dedicated GPSes had had their maps updated in the last month or so. Make of that what you will, but my personal experience has been that Maps is actually pretty reasonable. In major cities it maybe isn't quite as detailed as Google maps, but then, you can always use Google Maps as a web app for that...
  - masklinn 14y ago
    Thank you for the data point. I think I'll still (admittedly a bit irrationally) wait for 6.1 to be released, and I'll probably update at that point. I've little reason so switch yet anyway.
    - jedmund 14y ago
      You realize that a dot-release likely won't update Maps a whole ton right? The application itself that's installed on the phone is fine. It's the data that some people find to be inaccurate or not detailed. Apple has been updating the data independently of OS releases, AFAIK.
      - masklinn 14y ago
        Of course, but I think it'll iron other potential issues and will likely be released at a point where Apple feels they have improved a map enough to say "here look new version, more shiny, maps no sucky anymore". The iOS 6.1 point I don't see as something which will improve map, but as something which will mark maps as improved.
  - unreal37 14y ago
    In general, a map will always be good enough until the moment they aren't. It's extremely localized, and your experience can't be compared to another persons' 1-1. There are now entire countries with completely useless maps. Is that fair to iPhone users in those countries? Even in Canada and the USA, thousands of small cities that formerly had detailed maps were "wiped off the map" with this update. So while millions of people think things have gotten better, millions of people can also legitimately claim Maps is not just "worse" but completely broken. For the people who live in cities with turn-by-turn navigation and 3D flyovers, hey the new Maps is great. Apple has sacrificed a product that was good enough for most people with one that is great for some and terrible for others. It's a tough decision for them to make, and they should have still used Google Maps app for those who are affected negatively since theres still so much time left on the contract with Google.
- lforooghian 14y ago
  > I don't believe iOS AppStore bundles have every been stripped. I'm not even sure they could be since they're signed (unless you jailbreak). My understanding is that when you submit your app to the App Store, Apple actually re-sign it with their identity instead, so I guess that theoretically they could remove resources from your bundle and then sign it again, before sending it to your device. But they don't do this.
  - masklinn 14y ago
    > My understanding is that when you submit your app to the App Store, Apple actually re-sign it with their identity instead That is correct. > so I guess that theoretically they could remove resources from your bundle and then sign it again, before sending it to your device. But they don't do this. But then they'd have to split the application into a dozen different bundles, and if the user uses iTunes to manage his device this dozen different bundles would then need to be downloaded as there's no way for Apple to know for certain which devices will be synchronized using that iTunes installation in the future.
    - lforooghian 14y ago
      >if the user uses iTunes to manage his device this dozen different bundles would then need to be downloaded as there's no way for Apple to know for certain which devices will be synchronized using that iTunes installation in the future. Good point - I'd forgotten that some people still manage their applications using iTunes!
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moron 14y ago
I was OK with the maps thing on my iPad, because I don't take it with me much. A little inaccuracy is fine in that case, but not with my phone. So I haven't upgraded my phone, and don't know when I will.
emehrkay 14y ago
I've updated my 4s and put at least 1000 miles on turn by turn maps and everything is okay (turn by turn is beautiful, if that matters at all). I did add the maps.google.com shortcut to one of my folders, but I haven't needed to use it. I havent noticed any bugs in safari, I did have to disable the iCloud tab sync since my son is the main iPad user and all of his mine craft tabs were showing up on my phone and computer. You should try the maps for yourself though, all seems fine to me.
stephen_g 14y ago
Safari has been fine on my iPhone 4 - probably better than in the previous version...
stcredzero 14y ago
> I was worried that google maps would be deleted from my iPad and replaced with apple maps. I do not want this. Apple Maps does just fine for me with driving directions. If you don't like them, you can also use Mapquest. On a 4G connection, Google Maps also works very well as a web app. HopStop takes care of my commuting needs just fine. > I heard somethings about Safari being buggy.. I didn't really want this either as I only really use my iPad to surf the web. Safari on my New iPad on iOS 6 works significantly better than Safari on my original iPad on iOS 5.1.1. For one thing, it never crashes. > I was concerned about the memory footprint. As I understand it app's now download retina resources whether you have a retina iPad or not. I have limited space on my iPad. It runs fine at the moment. I didn't see any reason to update. As an iOS developer, let me assure you that in most instances, Retina resources amount to a rounding error in most cases. (~35kB in the case of a full screen PNG image for an iPhone.) Also, they only take up a part of the permanent flash store, not RAM.
- tzs 14y ago
  > Safari on my New iPad on iOS 6 works significantly better than Safari on my original iPad on iOS 5.1.1. For one thing, it never crashes That's because the new iPad has 4 times the RAM of the original iPad. Lack of RAM was the cause of almost all Safari crashes on the original iPad. Safari under iOS 5.1.1 on the new iPad was as stable, or even a little bit more stable, than under iOS 6.
taylodl 14y ago
I updated last weekend. I use Safari a lot and haven't had any issues. The weird thing I experienced during the upgrade is my iPad (3rd gen) got 1 Gb of memory freed - in that section iTunes calls Application Data. Still, 1 Gb is 1 Gb and I'm glad to get it back. And no, I haven't noticed anything amiss. The memory footprint on my iPhone remained the same. As far as maps goes, I don't use maps much (either Google or Apple). When I really need a map for long distance trips I use my Garmin. My experience with the mobile map apps so far is they're junk compared to the Garmin. I do need to do some traveling this Monday so I'll have the opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison test.
- taylodl 14y ago
  Had the opportunity to seriously use Apple maps yesterday for the first time. I liked it better than my Garmin (which is a 2008 model). I like that it gives you street names for turning and that it tells you of upcoming turns and exits well in advance. The fact that it cuts in over the music being played by my iPhone is a practical plus - the Garmin simply can't do that. Finally, a plus for pointing out hotels and gas stations. My Garmin definitely didn't do that either.

by bobsy 14y ago

masklinn 14y ago

> I haven't updated to iOS6. I was worried that google maps would be deleted from my iPad and replaced with apple maps. I do not want this. I'm also waiting for 6.1 at least to see how Apple Maps will evolve, I have no sense of direction whatsoever so I need maps to show me where I am, and Apple Maps still seems a bit too risky for now. It's possible to use the Google Maps site directly, but in my tests it's less responsive and the geolocation doesn't work as well as in the application itself. > I heard somethings about Safari being buggy.. I didn't really want this either as I only really use my iPad to surf the web. I've seen developer reports, but no reports of user issues. Quite the opposite, webkit's been updated in iOS6 so Safari is apparently significantly faster. > I was concerned about the memory footprint. As I understand it app's now download retina resources whether you have a retina iPad or not. It's always done that (ever since the release of the original iPad and the creation of "hybrid" iPhone/iPad applications), the version of iOS you're running is completely irrelevant to that issue: if you're running an application compatible with all iOS devices (3GS to iPad 3 at native resolutions) it may very well bundle 4 different copies of bitmapped assets (or even 5 for e.g. startup screens, since the iPhone 5 has a different resolution than the 4/4S). I don't believe iOS AppStore bundles have every been stripped. I'm not even sure they could be since they're signed (unless you jailbreak).

demallien 14y ago
Just as a data point on this whole Maps thing, Apple Maps in iOS 6 has already saved me on numerous occassions in the US and Europe. In Europe, I had a dedicated Garmin Nuvi, but it was Maps that got me to the the tiny village in Alsace. In the US I had a dedicated TomTom, but it was Maps that was able to correctly locate sites of interest for Civil War fans (Eastern Theater). Both dedicated GPSes had had their maps updated in the last month or so. Make of that what you will, but my personal experience has been that Maps is actually pretty reasonable. In major cities it maybe isn't quite as detailed as Google maps, but then, you can always use Google Maps as a web app for that...
- masklinn 14y ago
  Thank you for the data point. I think I'll still (admittedly a bit irrationally) wait for 6.1 to be released, and I'll probably update at that point. I've little reason so switch yet anyway.
  - jedmund 14y ago
    You realize that a dot-release likely won't update Maps a whole ton right? The application itself that's installed on the phone is fine. It's the data that some people find to be inaccurate or not detailed. Apple has been updating the data independently of OS releases, AFAIK.
    - masklinn 14y ago
      Of course, but I think it'll iron other potential issues and will likely be released at a point where Apple feels they have improved a map enough to say "here look new version, more shiny, maps no sucky anymore". The iOS 6.1 point I don't see as something which will improve map, but as something which will mark maps as improved.
- unreal37 14y ago
  In general, a map will always be good enough until the moment they aren't. It's extremely localized, and your experience can't be compared to another persons' 1-1. There are now entire countries with completely useless maps. Is that fair to iPhone users in those countries? Even in Canada and the USA, thousands of small cities that formerly had detailed maps were "wiped off the map" with this update. So while millions of people think things have gotten better, millions of people can also legitimately claim Maps is not just "worse" but completely broken. For the people who live in cities with turn-by-turn navigation and 3D flyovers, hey the new Maps is great. Apple has sacrificed a product that was good enough for most people with one that is great for some and terrible for others. It's a tough decision for them to make, and they should have still used Google Maps app for those who are affected negatively since theres still so much time left on the contract with Google.
lforooghian 14y ago
> I don't believe iOS AppStore bundles have every been stripped. I'm not even sure they could be since they're signed (unless you jailbreak). My understanding is that when you submit your app to the App Store, Apple actually re-sign it with their identity instead, so I guess that theoretically they could remove resources from your bundle and then sign it again, before sending it to your device. But they don't do this.
- masklinn 14y ago
  > My understanding is that when you submit your app to the App Store, Apple actually re-sign it with their identity instead That is correct. > so I guess that theoretically they could remove resources from your bundle and then sign it again, before sending it to your device. But they don't do this. But then they'd have to split the application into a dozen different bundles, and if the user uses iTunes to manage his device this dozen different bundles would then need to be downloaded as there's no way for Apple to know for certain which devices will be synchronized using that iTunes installation in the future.
  - lforooghian 14y ago
    >if the user uses iTunes to manage his device this dozen different bundles would then need to be downloaded as there's no way for Apple to know for certain which devices will be synchronized using that iTunes installation in the future. Good point - I'd forgotten that some people still manage their applications using iTunes!

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moron 14y ago

I was OK with the maps thing on my iPad, because I don't take it with me much. A little inaccuracy is fine in that case, but not with my phone. So I haven't upgraded my phone, and don't know when I will.

emehrkay 14y ago

I've updated my 4s and put at least 1000 miles on turn by turn maps and everything is okay (turn by turn is beautiful, if that matters at all). I did add the maps.google.com shortcut to one of my folders, but I haven't needed to use it. I havent noticed any bugs in safari, I did have to disable the iCloud tab sync since my son is the main iPad user and all of his mine craft tabs were showing up on my phone and computer. You should try the maps for yourself though, all seems fine to me.

stephen_g 14y ago

Safari has been fine on my iPhone 4 - probably better than in the previous version...

stcredzero 14y ago

> I was worried that google maps would be deleted from my iPad and replaced with apple maps. I do not want this. Apple Maps does just fine for me with driving directions. If you don't like them, you can also use Mapquest. On a 4G connection, Google Maps also works very well as a web app. HopStop takes care of my commuting needs just fine. > I heard somethings about Safari being buggy.. I didn't really want this either as I only really use my iPad to surf the web. Safari on my New iPad on iOS 6 works significantly better than Safari on my original iPad on iOS 5.1.1. For one thing, it never crashes. > I was concerned about the memory footprint. As I understand it app's now download retina resources whether you have a retina iPad or not. I have limited space on my iPad. It runs fine at the moment. I didn't see any reason to update. As an iOS developer, let me assure you that in most instances, Retina resources amount to a rounding error in most cases. (~35kB in the case of a full screen PNG image for an iPhone.) Also, they only take up a part of the permanent flash store, not RAM.

tzs 14y ago
> Safari on my New iPad on iOS 6 works significantly better than Safari on my original iPad on iOS 5.1.1. For one thing, it never crashes That's because the new iPad has 4 times the RAM of the original iPad. Lack of RAM was the cause of almost all Safari crashes on the original iPad. Safari under iOS 5.1.1 on the new iPad was as stable, or even a little bit more stable, than under iOS 6.

taylodl 14y ago

I updated last weekend. I use Safari a lot and haven't had any issues. The weird thing I experienced during the upgrade is my iPad (3rd gen) got 1 Gb of memory freed - in that section iTunes calls Application Data. Still, 1 Gb is 1 Gb and I'm glad to get it back. And no, I haven't noticed anything amiss. The memory footprint on my iPhone remained the same. As far as maps goes, I don't use maps much (either Google or Apple). When I really need a map for long distance trips I use my Garmin. My experience with the mobile map apps so far is they're junk compared to the Garmin. I do need to do some traveling this Monday so I'll have the opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison test.

taylodl 14y ago
Had the opportunity to seriously use Apple maps yesterday for the first time. I liked it better than my Garmin (which is a 2008 model). I like that it gives you street names for turning and that it tells you of upcoming turns and exits well in advance. The fact that it cuts in over the music being played by my iPhone is a practical plus - the Garmin simply can't do that. Finally, a plus for pointing out hotels and gas stations. My Garmin definitely didn't do that either.