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Like with all things in life shame is best in moderation. Too little or too much shame can lead to issue. Problem is no one tells you what too little or too m

by pousada 9mo ago

Like with all things in life shame is best in moderation. Too little or too much shame can lead to issue. Problem is no one tells you what too little or too much actually is and there are many different situations where you need to figure it out on your own. So I think sometimes people just get it wrong but ultimately everyone tries their best. Truly malicious shameless people are extremely rare in my experience. For the topic at hand I think a lot of these “shameless” contributions come from kids

Cthulhu_ 9mo ago
To add, I don't know if this is a cultural, personal, or other thing but nowadays even if people get shamed for whatever they do, they see it more as a challenge, and it makes them rebel even harder against what is perceived to be old fashioned or whatever. Basically teenagers. But it feels like the rebellious teenager phase lasts longer nowadays. Zero evidence besides vibes and anecdotes, but still. Or maybe it's me that's getting old?
ryandrake 9mo ago
I feel like there is a growing number of people who just can't even recognize or acknowledge shame. It's not even an emotion they are capable of or understand. So many people now respond to "You shouldn't do that..." with one or more of: - But, I'm allowed to. - But, it's legal. - But, the rules don't say I can't. - But, nobody is stopping me. The shared cultural understanding of right and wrong is shrinking. More and more, there's just can and can't.
- pousada 9mo ago
  I agree and I think it’s a backlash to the 2010’s where many felt there was too much shame/shaming going on in most online spaces. Fwiw I haven’t noticed either phenomenon much irl but that might just be my bubble.
  - amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
    Certainly in the political arena we have people that are completely shameless. Maybe that counts as online space, but it has big effects on people's real life.

by pousada 9mo ago

Cthulhu_ 9mo ago

To add, I don't know if this is a cultural, personal, or other thing but nowadays even if people get shamed for whatever they do, they see it more as a challenge, and it makes them rebel even harder against what is perceived to be old fashioned or whatever. Basically teenagers. But it feels like the rebellious teenager phase lasts longer nowadays. Zero evidence besides vibes and anecdotes, but still. Or maybe it's me that's getting old?

ryandrake 9mo ago

I feel like there is a growing number of people who just can't even recognize or acknowledge shame. It's not even an emotion they are capable of or understand. So many people now respond to "You shouldn't do that..." with one or more of: - But, I'm allowed to. - But, it's legal. - But, the rules don't say I can't. - But, nobody is stopping me. The shared cultural understanding of right and wrong is shrinking. More and more, there's just can and can't.

pousada 9mo ago
I agree and I think it’s a backlash to the 2010’s where many felt there was too much shame/shaming going on in most online spaces. Fwiw I haven’t noticed either phenomenon much irl but that might just be my bubble.
- amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
  Certainly in the political arena we have people that are completely shameless. Maybe that counts as online space, but it has big effects on people's real life.