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> Amazing test suite. Lol, is that a joke. Seesh. [To be clear, i think sqlite is the hands down winner on this front, no contest. Does the Turso test suite

by bawolff 9mo ago

> Amazing test suite. Lol, is that a joke. Seesh. [To be clear, i think sqlite is the hands down winner on this front, no contest. Does the Turso test suite qualify it to be used in safety critical applications? I don't think so]. To your other points - look if it works for you i'm not here to tell you you can't use it. However these features sound more trendy than useful. To me these sound like negatives. A bunch of extra features not related to being a relational database suggests they aren't concentrating on the core product. I dont know enough about their model for async & concurrent writes to really evaluate the cost/benefit, but both those features sound potentially really scary and of questionable value. At the end of the day its just not a compelling pitch. It seems like trading reliability and stability for a bunch of meaningless bling. Best of luck to them, but at this point yeah, sqlite sounds like a much better option to me.

jauntywundrkind 9mo ago
It's just so wild to me that people are so married to anti-features like this. That anti-interest do possesses the modern spirit, enraptures people so. 'i don't know what it is but I'm not interested and it's probably scarey' is not, imo, befitting the cultures I personally want to see. There's times and places for extreme conservatism, but generally I am far more here for progress, for trying for aspiring to better, and I thought that was so clearly what the hacker spirit was about.
- HelloNurse 9mo ago
  Progress would be a respectful experiment to hack an implementation of vector indexing, or some other actually useful feature, into the actual SQLite, preferably as an extension. That would be a valid experiment and, if it goes well, a contribution, while hoping that someone bases anything important on Turso looks like grabbing captive users.
tracker1 9mo ago
Have you seen the SQLite test suite? AFAIK, it's private/secret/closed. I think that is a part of the argument against SQLite.
- bawolff 9mo ago
  Do you usually read test suites? I care that sqlite is being tested against it, because i care that sqlite is well tested. i'm not super concerned that part of the test suite is closed source as i dont need to directly use it.
  - tracker1 9mo ago
    Yes, I do look through test suites. You can learn a lot from them. Without seeing it, you have no idea how good it is at all. I'm not knocking the SQLite guys... But it's just a factual statement. It's unknown to most.

by bawolff 9mo ago

jauntywundrkind 9mo ago

It's just so wild to me that people are so married to anti-features like this. That anti-interest do possesses the modern spirit, enraptures people so. 'i don't know what it is but I'm not interested and it's probably scarey' is not, imo, befitting the cultures I personally want to see. There's times and places for extreme conservatism, but generally I am far more here for progress, for trying for aspiring to better, and I thought that was so clearly what the hacker spirit was about.

HelloNurse 9mo ago
Progress would be a respectful experiment to hack an implementation of vector indexing, or some other actually useful feature, into the actual SQLite, preferably as an extension. That would be a valid experiment and, if it goes well, a contribution, while hoping that someone bases anything important on Turso looks like grabbing captive users.

tracker1 9mo ago

Have you seen the SQLite test suite? AFAIK, it's private/secret/closed. I think that is a part of the argument against SQLite.

bawolff 9mo ago
Do you usually read test suites? I care that sqlite is being tested against it, because i care that sqlite is well tested. i'm not super concerned that part of the test suite is closed source as i dont need to directly use it.
- tracker1 9mo ago
  Yes, I do look through test suites. You can learn a lot from them. Without seeing it, you have no idea how good it is at all. I'm not knocking the SQLite guys... But it's just a factual statement. It's unknown to most.