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In the context of laptops, I would agree (MBP's hardware just outclasses everything else, even if I prefer Fedora over macOS). However, for phones, this just d

In the context of laptops, I would agree (MBP's hardware just outclasses everything else, even if I prefer Fedora over macOS). However, for phones, this just doesn't shake out. The Pixel 10 Pro for instance, has: * A battery that outlasts the iPhone 16 Pro by an hour * A slightly better display (higher brightness for outdoor use, higher PPI, higher color accuracy, same refresh rate) * A better camera for still photography, especially HDR and low-light (although admittedly worse for video)

650 8mo ago
How's the OS security of the Pixel 10 Pro? I think "Airpods" and "iCloud" for Photo Storage are the only parts of the Apple ecosystem I use, so those will be missed.
- stratosmacker 8mo ago
  Great if you install Graphene!
  - jmaker 8mo ago
    With Graphene, something financial won’t work anymore. I believe either banking apps or Google Wallet, a known issue. Graphene didn’t support Pixel 10 yet last time I checked. That said, I’ve been just too occupied with reading on how to fix the Pixel bugs that bit me that I couldn’t get to the point of reading on Graphene and I don’t exactly remember anymore what was wrong with it.
    - prmoustache 8mo ago
      Google wallet doesn't work which is imho a very tiny issue with contactless payment working with cards but most banking apps do. There is a forum thread I believe that you can check if your bank's app work before commiting to migrate.
      - mvanbaak 8mo ago
        It might be a very tiny issue for you, but for others it's huge. As a single datapoint: it has been years since I used a physical card. both payment or public transport. Always use contactless payments using my phone.
        prmoustache 8mo ago
        I mean I used it in the past but the difference is minor in my experience. It is a case of grabbing your card vs grabbing your smartphone and fiddling with it. That card could even be carried in one of those phones cases with a card holder. The only major difference is in case of stolen phone vs stolen card. But every system has its drawback. It could be super annoying if you get your account suspended unexpectedly while you are away from home. In my particular case I don't want a google account anymore and would hate relying on google to manage my payments so it is a no go for a start.
        jmaker 8mo ago
        Why not just get an iPhone then?
        prmoustache 8mo ago
        Because: - I prefer running FOSS apps on my smartphone - I want to be able to install anything I want on it without relying on what is accepted by a "store" - I don't want an Apple account - I want to own and be able to have the shit I want running in the background (like syncthing) - I want to be able to access my file the way I want, including using a shell - I want to be able to run any linux app - and more inportantly I want to be the owner of my phone, not merely the user of a license to use it following the term set by a company from an hostile nation
        jmaker 8mo ago
        I’ve been down that road, was fun, but growingly felt to me like too much maintenance that wasn’t worth the effort, distracting from more important things. Like desktop Linux. Now I’m at a point where Android itself, even Pixels feel that way. I really tried to make the Pixel my daily driver. In hindsight, it was just too naive of me.
jama211 8mo ago
Admittedly the hardware of the pixel 10 pro is very nice, but it still runs android which is the main issue for me. Also I love magsafe
- stratosmacker 8mo ago
  You can actually buy MagSafe cases for pixels. And GrapheneOS makes it very nice
- com2kid 8mo ago
  Pixel 10 pro has "pixel snap" which works with most mag safe attachments.
- jmaker 8mo ago
  The hardware is far behind in terms of benchmark performance. That wasn’t important to me, but it’s noticeable when you edit videos.
  - jama211 8mo ago
    That’s a good point
ed_mercer 8mo ago
Why are you comparing the latest Google flagship phone with a previous generation iPhone? The iPhone 17 is better than a Pixel 10 on most if not all fronts.
- jmaker 8mo ago
  There’s little hardware improvement in iPhone 17 over iPhone 16. Arguably only the move from titanium to aluminum in the casing is a tangible performance enhancement (better cooling). The software is the same.
  - ed_mercer 8mo ago
    The iPhone 17 delivers significant display, battery, camera, and memory improvements. The aluminum switch does enhance thermal performance, but calling it the "only tangible" upgrade requires ignoring ProMotion displays, 36% longer battery life, 4x camera resolution boosts, and doubled storage. The standard iPhone 17, in particular, received upgrades substantial enough that upgrading from an iPhone 15 or earlier makes strong practical sense. Hardly the profile of a phone with "little hardware improvement".
    - jmaker 8mo ago
      Thanks, you’re likely right, but significance is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t attribute much value to the marketing fluff and on-paper changes. It’s great the battery improved but does it really matter? You still will charge every day. The camera resolution, well, it’s still just a smartphone camera with some AI post-processing, which Xiaomi can do better with their Leica or Oppo with their Zeiss lenses. And either one is still bad compared to a proper camera. ProMotion display, Pixel’s still better. Your point about storage made me laugh, but let’s maybe leave it for another time. That all is very minor and not noticeable to me. If you go from 10 to 15 it’s a 50% improvement, but if your competitors have been at 20 and won’t regress, you’re still behind. So yes, to me, the aluminum case is the only tangible. My palms don’t burn anymore. And I’m grateful to Apple for letting me pay more again for this noticeable improvement.
jmaker 8mo ago
I loved my Pixel 10 Pro until it broke just a week after purchase (screen went unresponsive all of a sudden and I needed to learn to factory reset it). Pixel Android doesn’t support disabling the control center when locked in lock screen, and widgets are also available. I saw all of that reported just recently too, so obviously not a single issue. The screen issues are known across several Pixel generations. The screen lock since 2013. I don’t know whether I’m going to touch anything Pixel in the next couple of years, it’s not mature enough yet.
thewebguyd 8mo ago
The problem (for me) isn't the hardware. The Pixel 10 Pro is arguably a great phone, and I had a 9 Pro Xl for a short time before going back to iOS and I enjoyed it while I had it. But what I found was I was just trading Apple's quirks for even worse Android quirks, all while losing all the nice ecosystem integrations with my macbook and iPad. App quality on Android is still hit and miss. Companies still don't put nearly as much effort into their Android apps as they do their iOS apps. Even my banking app was a laggy, buggy mess on Android compared to the iOS version. Heck, even Google's own apps are better on iOS. Plus, until Google decides to offer E2EE for their cloud services like Apple with advanced data protection, it's a non-starter for me and I really don't feel like going full self-hosted just so I can run Android. I want to like Android again, but there's just nothing there right now that definitively makes it a better experience for me despite Apple's flaws.
ActorNightly 8mo ago
>MBP's hardware just outclasses everything else No it doesn't. Battery life isn't that much greater when you use the laptop. Meanwhile, if all you are doing is browsing web or watching youtube, an android phone with the same size battery lasts longer.
wooger 8mo ago
We're on the iPhone 17 pro though?

650 8mo ago

How's the OS security of the Pixel 10 Pro? I think "Airpods" and "iCloud" for Photo Storage are the only parts of the Apple ecosystem I use, so those will be missed.

stratosmacker 8mo ago
Great if you install Graphene!
- jmaker 8mo ago
  With Graphene, something financial won’t work anymore. I believe either banking apps or Google Wallet, a known issue. Graphene didn’t support Pixel 10 yet last time I checked. That said, I’ve been just too occupied with reading on how to fix the Pixel bugs that bit me that I couldn’t get to the point of reading on Graphene and I don’t exactly remember anymore what was wrong with it.
  - prmoustache 8mo ago
    Google wallet doesn't work which is imho a very tiny issue with contactless payment working with cards but most banking apps do. There is a forum thread I believe that you can check if your bank's app work before commiting to migrate.
    - mvanbaak 8mo ago
      It might be a very tiny issue for you, but for others it's huge. As a single datapoint: it has been years since I used a physical card. both payment or public transport. Always use contactless payments using my phone.
      - prmoustache 8mo ago
        I mean I used it in the past but the difference is minor in my experience. It is a case of grabbing your card vs grabbing your smartphone and fiddling with it. That card could even be carried in one of those phones cases with a card holder. The only major difference is in case of stolen phone vs stolen card. But every system has its drawback. It could be super annoying if you get your account suspended unexpectedly while you are away from home. In my particular case I don't want a google account anymore and would hate relying on google to manage my payments so it is a no go for a start.
        jmaker 8mo ago
        Why not just get an iPhone then?
        prmoustache 8mo ago
        Because: - I prefer running FOSS apps on my smartphone - I want to be able to install anything I want on it without relying on what is accepted by a "store" - I don't want an Apple account - I want to own and be able to have the shit I want running in the background (like syncthing) - I want to be able to access my file the way I want, including using a shell - I want to be able to run any linux app - and more inportantly I want to be the owner of my phone, not merely the user of a license to use it following the term set by a company from an hostile nation
        jmaker 8mo ago
        I’ve been down that road, was fun, but growingly felt to me like too much maintenance that wasn’t worth the effort, distracting from more important things. Like desktop Linux. Now I’m at a point where Android itself, even Pixels feel that way. I really tried to make the Pixel my daily driver. In hindsight, it was just too naive of me.

jama211 8mo ago

Admittedly the hardware of the pixel 10 pro is very nice, but it still runs android which is the main issue for me. Also I love magsafe

stratosmacker 8mo ago
You can actually buy MagSafe cases for pixels. And GrapheneOS makes it very nice
com2kid 8mo ago
Pixel 10 pro has "pixel snap" which works with most mag safe attachments.
jmaker 8mo ago
The hardware is far behind in terms of benchmark performance. That wasn’t important to me, but it’s noticeable when you edit videos.
- jama211 8mo ago
  That’s a good point

ed_mercer 8mo ago

Why are you comparing the latest Google flagship phone with a previous generation iPhone? The iPhone 17 is better than a Pixel 10 on most if not all fronts.

jmaker 8mo ago
There’s little hardware improvement in iPhone 17 over iPhone 16. Arguably only the move from titanium to aluminum in the casing is a tangible performance enhancement (better cooling). The software is the same.
- ed_mercer 8mo ago
  The iPhone 17 delivers significant display, battery, camera, and memory improvements. The aluminum switch does enhance thermal performance, but calling it the "only tangible" upgrade requires ignoring ProMotion displays, 36% longer battery life, 4x camera resolution boosts, and doubled storage. The standard iPhone 17, in particular, received upgrades substantial enough that upgrading from an iPhone 15 or earlier makes strong practical sense. Hardly the profile of a phone with "little hardware improvement".
  - jmaker 8mo ago
    Thanks, you’re likely right, but significance is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t attribute much value to the marketing fluff and on-paper changes. It’s great the battery improved but does it really matter? You still will charge every day. The camera resolution, well, it’s still just a smartphone camera with some AI post-processing, which Xiaomi can do better with their Leica or Oppo with their Zeiss lenses. And either one is still bad compared to a proper camera. ProMotion display, Pixel’s still better. Your point about storage made me laugh, but let’s maybe leave it for another time. That all is very minor and not noticeable to me. If you go from 10 to 15 it’s a 50% improvement, but if your competitors have been at 20 and won’t regress, you’re still behind. So yes, to me, the aluminum case is the only tangible. My palms don’t burn anymore. And I’m grateful to Apple for letting me pay more again for this noticeable improvement.

jmaker 8mo ago

I loved my Pixel 10 Pro until it broke just a week after purchase (screen went unresponsive all of a sudden and I needed to learn to factory reset it). Pixel Android doesn’t support disabling the control center when locked in lock screen, and widgets are also available. I saw all of that reported just recently too, so obviously not a single issue. The screen issues are known across several Pixel generations. The screen lock since 2013. I don’t know whether I’m going to touch anything Pixel in the next couple of years, it’s not mature enough yet.

thewebguyd 8mo ago

The problem (for me) isn't the hardware. The Pixel 10 Pro is arguably a great phone, and I had a 9 Pro Xl for a short time before going back to iOS and I enjoyed it while I had it. But what I found was I was just trading Apple's quirks for even worse Android quirks, all while losing all the nice ecosystem integrations with my macbook and iPad. App quality on Android is still hit and miss. Companies still don't put nearly as much effort into their Android apps as they do their iOS apps. Even my banking app was a laggy, buggy mess on Android compared to the iOS version. Heck, even Google's own apps are better on iOS. Plus, until Google decides to offer E2EE for their cloud services like Apple with advanced data protection, it's a non-starter for me and I really don't feel like going full self-hosted just so I can run Android. I want to like Android again, but there's just nothing there right now that definitively makes it a better experience for me despite Apple's flaws.

ActorNightly 8mo ago

>MBP's hardware just outclasses everything else No it doesn't. Battery life isn't that much greater when you use the laptop. Meanwhile, if all you are doing is browsing web or watching youtube, an android phone with the same size battery lasts longer.

wooger 8mo ago

We're on the iPhone 17 pro though?