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This has literally already happened under the first Trump term, and was rolled back under Biden, by Democrats. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/biden-r

by dralley 9mo ago

This has literally already happened under the first Trump term, and was rolled back under Biden, by Democrats. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/biden-restores-who-ties.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/biden-restores-who-... So, like, what exactly is the point of making up reasons to hate Democrats. Obviously it's all the rage on the left (as on the right) to do so, but fabrications from the left are no better than fabrications from the right.

Insanity 9mo ago
No need to be so aggressive about it lol, can just correct the parent poster. Personally I didn't know Biden rolled it back, and I just assumed it would only now take effect after having been 'in limbo'. :)
- Cipater 9mo ago
  Maybe people need to have facts told to them aggressively to get them in the habit of not assuming things.
tehjoker 9mo ago
That's true, I remembered that after I posted, but at the same time, I suspect that a lot of this round will be more permanent. At least in the former case, the US did not exit the institution (1 year notice required). In this case, there will be more than 1 year between presidential administrations. If Trump doesn't pay up our outstanding fees, it is possible a Democratic administration will use that to say we never really exited, but if it is formally done, I feel rather skeptical they will rejoin. There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations. You have to put this in context that Trump is also creating what appears to be an alternative venue to the UN with the "Board of Peace" which was originally a colonial authority to impose our will on Gaza, but its charter doesn't mention Gaza at all and talks about international conflict in general.
- dralley 9mo ago
  >There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations. Again, I feel like you have to live in an alternate universe to think that there is much continuity on foreign policy between Trump and <insert Democrat here>. Or you have to be laser focused on one or two similarities and ignore the vast chasms of difference on everything else.
  - tehjoker 9mo ago
    It's true that we are in an era of change, but the Republicans are like the "id" of U.S. elites. Both parties regularly destroy entire countries. The Democrats mostly followed the Republican line on COVID after about 6 months. They are lagging, but they follow along. There are a number of places where there are superficial differences, and those differences are important to people of color, trans people, etc, but the Dems are always looking for reasons to make a right turn. They track the Republicans who actively move right and create a small space a relative distance from their position.
- estearum 9mo ago
  > There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations. You realize we just kidnapped a head of state, we're currently repositioning strike forces around Iran, and we just caused NATO to reposition troops to Greenland to defend against imminent US invasion? Can you please identify events that you see as "continuous" with these ones?
  - tehjoker 9mo ago
    Biden did a genocide in Gaza and killed 800k+ Americans with COVID. He created the conditions for the invasion of Ukraine by refusing to exclude Ukraine from NATO and probably destroyed Nordstream 2. He toppled the Pakistani government. Obama toppled Libya and allowed Ghaddafi to be sodomized to death with a bayonet. He juiced the civil war in Syria in Operation Timber Sycamore. The Democrats are better at dressing things up and making it look like they're the good guys when they do the same stuff. We are in a reorientation of American policy. Trump isn't doing this without consent from our elites, the same people that fund the Democrats who suspiciously aren't fighting it.

by dralley 9mo ago

Insanity 9mo ago

No need to be so aggressive about it lol, can just correct the parent poster. Personally I didn't know Biden rolled it back, and I just assumed it would only now take effect after having been 'in limbo'. :)

Cipater 9mo ago
Maybe people need to have facts told to them aggressively to get them in the habit of not assuming things.

tehjoker 9mo ago

That's true, I remembered that after I posted, but at the same time, I suspect that a lot of this round will be more permanent. At least in the former case, the US did not exit the institution (1 year notice required). In this case, there will be more than 1 year between presidential administrations. If Trump doesn't pay up our outstanding fees, it is possible a Democratic administration will use that to say we never really exited, but if it is formally done, I feel rather skeptical they will rejoin. There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations. You have to put this in context that Trump is also creating what appears to be an alternative venue to the UN with the "Board of Peace" which was originally a colonial authority to impose our will on Gaza, but its charter doesn't mention Gaza at all and talks about international conflict in general.

dralley 9mo ago
>There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations. Again, I feel like you have to live in an alternate universe to think that there is much continuity on foreign policy between Trump and <insert Democrat here>. Or you have to be laser focused on one or two similarities and ignore the vast chasms of difference on everything else.
- tehjoker 9mo ago
  It's true that we are in an era of change, but the Republicans are like the "id" of U.S. elites. Both parties regularly destroy entire countries. The Democrats mostly followed the Republican line on COVID after about 6 months. They are lagging, but they follow along. There are a number of places where there are superficial differences, and those differences are important to people of color, trans people, etc, but the Dems are always looking for reasons to make a right turn. They track the Republicans who actively move right and create a small space a relative distance from their position.
estearum 9mo ago
> There is strong continuity on foreign policy between administrations. You realize we just kidnapped a head of state, we're currently repositioning strike forces around Iran, and we just caused NATO to reposition troops to Greenland to defend against imminent US invasion? Can you please identify events that you see as "continuous" with these ones?
- tehjoker 9mo ago
  Biden did a genocide in Gaza and killed 800k+ Americans with COVID. He created the conditions for the invasion of Ukraine by refusing to exclude Ukraine from NATO and probably destroyed Nordstream 2. He toppled the Pakistani government. Obama toppled Libya and allowed Ghaddafi to be sodomized to death with a bayonet. He juiced the civil war in Syria in Operation Timber Sycamore. The Democrats are better at dressing things up and making it look like they're the good guys when they do the same stuff. We are in a reorientation of American policy. Trump isn't doing this without consent from our elites, the same people that fund the Democrats who suspiciously aren't fighting it.