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I don't care about the karma, I care about being asked to stop having perfectly interesting discussions.

by xenophanes 18y ago

pg 18y ago
You mean like this one? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=140170 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=140170
- xenophanes 18y ago
  No, not that one :) So, anyway, why did you ban xlnt and qqq, but not this account?
  - pg 18y ago
    Optimism.
    - xenophanes 18y ago
      Funny, but still a very opaque policy. As far as I could tell, qqq was for criticizing your comments related to Israel, and xlnt was either for what qqq did or for having a new account. Is that right?
      - pg 18y ago
        It would have been because you used the same ip address as both curi and one or both of them. Edit: Usually that's how the software catches multiple accounts belonging to the same person, but I went back and looked, and in this case you (as qqq) outed yourself as curi.
        xenophanes 18y ago
        I'm a little confused. I did not reset my modem or anything when making this account. I don't see why it wouldn't have triggered the same thing. And also, wouldn't the accounts get banned right away, not at a random time later? Did my ISP one day just happen to give me the same IP I had months ago? edit: Oh. I've outed myself lots of times...
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- unalone 18y ago
  Aww, but they were going someplace good with that! Out of curiosity, have you ever stopped a conversation just because it was getting exceptionally long? At a certain point does that mess up the table layout?
  - xenophanes 18y ago
    Here is what happens to the UI: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117118 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117118
  - pg 18y ago
    No, of course not. I sometimes ask people to stop when they reach the yes-i-did-no-you-didn't stage, but because it's wasting everyone's time, not because it's messing up the page.
    - xenophanes 18y ago
      So, you believe you should judge the quality of comments, and put a stop to the ones you deem to have low quality, even if the participants disagree with you. And further, you think it is your role to protect people from "wasting time" by voluntarily reading comments of their choosing. You further ridicule the comments you disapprove of as "yes-i-did-no-you-didn't" style comments, knowing that isn't literally true in some cases.
      - unalone 18y ago
        You still haven't shown a good counterexample. Until then, I'm inclined to take him at his word, since I've never seen anything of the sort myself.
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        xenophanes 18y ago
        What about the parenting thread I linked? PS YC and searchyc are both very slow for me. It's hard to find anything. If I could just search for posts by pg with certain keywords then I would give you better links, but I can't.
unalone 18y ago
But has he ever asked that in a case where it wasn't a heated argument? I got asked to stop because a guy was swearing and I was calling him pathetic, but that was because we were generating a flamefest. Do people get told off just for talking at length?
- xenophanes 18y ago
  "Would you please stop filling up comment threads with this kind of thing?" -- pg http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=138275 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=138275 What he was replying to is deleted. But it doesn't matter what it was. pg objected to "filling up comment threads". I didn't know they could get full...
  - unalone 18y ago
    It looks to me like DarrenStuart was being overtly melodramatic and got asked to stop. "Filling up" refers to visual space as well; people looking for conversation would get diverted by nonsense like that. You're not making the best case: I'd rather PG try and stop stuff like that and encourage more rational discourse.
    - xenophanes 18y ago
      If you think he should do it, fine, but he still did it... You can't maintain he's fully supportive of long threads, and also wants to avoid noise and clutter.

I don't care about the karma, I care about being asked to stop having perfectly interesting discussions.

pg 18y ago

You mean like this one? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=140170 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=140170

xenophanes 18y ago
No, not that one :) So, anyway, why did you ban xlnt and qqq, but not this account?
- pg 18y ago
  Optimism.
  - xenophanes 18y ago
    Funny, but still a very opaque policy. As far as I could tell, qqq was for criticizing your comments related to Israel, and xlnt was either for what qqq did or for having a new account. Is that right?
    - pg 18y ago
      It would have been because you used the same ip address as both curi and one or both of them. Edit: Usually that's how the software catches multiple accounts belonging to the same person, but I went back and looked, and in this case you (as qqq) outed yourself as curi.
      - xenophanes 18y ago
        I'm a little confused. I did not reset my modem or anything when making this account. I don't see why it wouldn't have triggered the same thing. And also, wouldn't the accounts get banned right away, not at a random time later? Did my ISP one day just happen to give me the same IP I had months ago? edit: Oh. I've outed myself lots of times...
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unalone 18y ago
Aww, but they were going someplace good with that! Out of curiosity, have you ever stopped a conversation just because it was getting exceptionally long? At a certain point does that mess up the table layout?
- xenophanes 18y ago
  Here is what happens to the UI: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117118 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117118
- pg 18y ago
  No, of course not. I sometimes ask people to stop when they reach the yes-i-did-no-you-didn't stage, but because it's wasting everyone's time, not because it's messing up the page.
  - xenophanes 18y ago
    So, you believe you should judge the quality of comments, and put a stop to the ones you deem to have low quality, even if the participants disagree with you. And further, you think it is your role to protect people from "wasting time" by voluntarily reading comments of their choosing. You further ridicule the comments you disapprove of as "yes-i-did-no-you-didn't" style comments, knowing that isn't literally true in some cases.
    - unalone 18y ago
      You still haven't shown a good counterexample. Until then, I'm inclined to take him at his word, since I've never seen anything of the sort myself.
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      - xenophanes 18y ago
        What about the parenting thread I linked? PS YC and searchyc are both very slow for me. It's hard to find anything. If I could just search for posts by pg with certain keywords then I would give you better links, but I can't.

unalone 18y ago

But has he ever asked that in a case where it wasn't a heated argument? I got asked to stop because a guy was swearing and I was calling him pathetic, but that was because we were generating a flamefest. Do people get told off just for talking at length?

xenophanes 18y ago
"Would you please stop filling up comment threads with this kind of thing?" -- pg http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=138275 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=138275 What he was replying to is deleted. But it doesn't matter what it was. pg objected to "filling up comment threads". I didn't know they could get full...
- unalone 18y ago
  It looks to me like DarrenStuart was being overtly melodramatic and got asked to stop. "Filling up" refers to visual space as well; people looking for conversation would get diverted by nonsense like that. You're not making the best case: I'd rather PG try and stop stuff like that and encourage more rational discourse.
  - xenophanes 18y ago
    If you think he should do it, fine, but he still did it... You can't maintain he's fully supportive of long threads, and also wants to avoid noise and clutter.