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A thousand times this. I used OSX at one job where everyone else was too and was appalled at how bad it is for getting work done. It's pretty and shiny but brok

by Supreme 14y ago

A thousand times this. I used OSX at one job where everyone else was too and was appalled at how bad it is for getting work done. It's pretty and shiny but broken by design in terms of usability. Switching windows is a pain in the ass (different shortcuts to 'alt-tab' between windows of the same application), maximizing a window doesn't work properly, no way to change the window manager. Those are just my gripes with the GUI. As parent pointed out, the best way to do *nix-based work on OSX is to run linux on a VM. This throws the 'is unix-like' argument out the window. So a crap GUI, crippled CLI, very questionable company policies and politics and to top it off it costs twice as much as everything else. You have to be out of your mind to buy into this.

Volpe 14y ago
It's funny when people complain that Apple's GUI isn't like the OSes that copied them... When in fact that's because they copied them wrong... :\ I agree there are crippled parts to OSX's CLI, but would be curious to know which bits you think are crippled? As from your other assertions, I suspect they are shallow.
davidhollander 14y ago
> no way to change the window manager Is this actually the case? I use Linux as my primary OS, but I recall seeing xmonad running in osx on a macbook.
- hollerith 14y ago
  That xmonad was almost certainly managing the X11 apps while the native apps were being managed by the standard Apple window manager. Most Mac users (including myself) make no regular use of any X11 app. (In fact, shortcomings in X11 and software that relies on X11 are the main reasons I left Linux in the first place).
nicholassmith 14y ago
Mostly the window switching is weird for people as the metaphor nearly everyone is used to is 'command + tab switches window' whereas OS X is 'command + tab switches application'. I actually prefer it that way, but it's not for everyone.
acdha 14y ago
> Switching windows is a pain in the ass (different shortcuts to 'alt-tab' between windows of the same application) This has been standard for many years: Command-Tab switches applications, Command-` switches windows within an app. If that doesn't work, it's because an application vendor has taken specific measures to break it - something which is possible on any platform and should be reported as a bug. As for doing Unix work, again, this is just griping: you're blaming OS X for things which you either didn't learn or where the upstream vendor has hard-coded Linux-isms, which is increasingly rare. The combination of the command-line developer tools and homebrew means that for most people running linux in a VM useful only for final validation testing.

by Supreme 14y ago

Volpe 14y ago

It's funny when people complain that Apple's GUI isn't like the OSes that copied them... When in fact that's because they copied them wrong... :\ I agree there are crippled parts to OSX's CLI, but would be curious to know which bits you think are crippled? As from your other assertions, I suspect they are shallow.

davidhollander 14y ago

> no way to change the window manager Is this actually the case? I use Linux as my primary OS, but I recall seeing xmonad running in osx on a macbook.

hollerith 14y ago
That xmonad was almost certainly managing the X11 apps while the native apps were being managed by the standard Apple window manager. Most Mac users (including myself) make no regular use of any X11 app. (In fact, shortcomings in X11 and software that relies on X11 are the main reasons I left Linux in the first place).

nicholassmith 14y ago

Mostly the window switching is weird for people as the metaphor nearly everyone is used to is 'command + tab switches window' whereas OS X is 'command + tab switches application'. I actually prefer it that way, but it's not for everyone.

acdha 14y ago

> Switching windows is a pain in the ass (different shortcuts to 'alt-tab' between windows of the same application) This has been standard for many years: Command-Tab switches applications, Command-` switches windows within an app. If that doesn't work, it's because an application vendor has taken specific measures to break it - something which is possible on any platform and should be reported as a bug. As for doing Unix work, again, this is just griping: you're blaming OS X for things which you either didn't learn or where the upstream vendor has hard-coded Linux-isms, which is increasingly rare. The combination of the command-line developer tools and homebrew means that for most people running linux in a VM useful only for final validation testing.