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>By the way, that article doesn't cite any studies! That's fine. I think we need to get away a little bit from the implication that any thought not connected t

>By the way, that article doesn't cite any studies! That's fine. I think we need to get away a little bit from the implication that any thought not connected to studies or statistics makes it borderline worthless. We need to lean a little bit more toward humanism ("we" as in ostensibly thoughtful people - the average person definitely needs to lean a little bit more toward studies/statistics).

jraph 9mo ago
Humanity / humanism and science aren't opposed. Wrong social models can have bad human implications. It seems to me that being careful with these models and requiring rigor is the humanist thing to do. Go ahead and present hypotheses, that can be very interesting, just don't present them as facts. (Now maybe this asker-guesser thing is indeed studied, I don't know)
- pseudalopex 9mo ago
  > Go ahead and present hypotheses, that can be very interesting, just don't present them as facts. The article called it a provocative opinion described in a comment which became a meme.
  - jraph 9mo ago
    Indeed! I didn't remember this (yes, I had already read that article a long time ago, I only scanned it quickly this time). At least the article is honest with its source. Thanks for emphasizing this.
technothrasher 9mo ago
> ("we" as in ostensibly thoughtful people - the average person definitely needs to lean a little bit more toward studies/statistics). I'm not sure what you're getting at here by suggesting an elite class of people above the "average person" who do not require objective evidence. That's not really aligned with the core tenets of humanism.
dragonwriter 9mo ago
Thought not well grounded in objective evidence has a place, both on matters that are not subject to empirical inquiry and in preliminary speculation about matters that are. But it also runs the risk of building palaces of elaborate BS with no relation to reality and pure garbage filler content, like article presenting three different non-evidence-based ideas of how a dichotomy itself not grounded in evidence supposedly plays out in reality, with no effort to do look at any evidence or do any analysis as to whether any of them or the underlying dichotomy is connected to reality.
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jraph 9mo ago

Humanity / humanism and science aren't opposed. Wrong social models can have bad human implications. It seems to me that being careful with these models and requiring rigor is the humanist thing to do. Go ahead and present hypotheses, that can be very interesting, just don't present them as facts. (Now maybe this asker-guesser thing is indeed studied, I don't know)

pseudalopex 9mo ago
> Go ahead and present hypotheses, that can be very interesting, just don't present them as facts. The article called it a provocative opinion described in a comment which became a meme.
- jraph 9mo ago
  Indeed! I didn't remember this (yes, I had already read that article a long time ago, I only scanned it quickly this time). At least the article is honest with its source. Thanks for emphasizing this.

technothrasher 9mo ago

> ("we" as in ostensibly thoughtful people - the average person definitely needs to lean a little bit more toward studies/statistics). I'm not sure what you're getting at here by suggesting an elite class of people above the "average person" who do not require objective evidence. That's not really aligned with the core tenets of humanism.

dragonwriter 9mo ago

Thought not well grounded in objective evidence has a place, both on matters that are not subject to empirical inquiry and in preliminary speculation about matters that are. But it also runs the risk of building palaces of elaborate BS with no relation to reality and pure garbage filler content, like article presenting three different non-evidence-based ideas of how a dichotomy itself not grounded in evidence supposedly plays out in reality, with no effort to do look at any evidence or do any analysis as to whether any of them or the underlying dichotomy is connected to reality.

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