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There is nothing more unjust than forcing someone to buy something they do not want simply because you think it would be good for them. > Seems like a no brain

by sneak 9mo ago

There is nothing more unjust than forcing someone to buy something they do not want simply because you think it would be good for them. > Seems like a no brainer deal This is opinion, not fact. I happen to share your opinion, but enshrining opinions in law is almost always going to violate someone’s consent.

yen223 9mo ago
I feel like it's worse to force someone to buy something they do not want, knowing full well it's going to materially harm them
- sneak 9mo ago
  We are in agreement.
embedding-shape 9mo ago
> There is nothing more unjust than forcing someone to buy something they do not want simply because you think it would be good for them. Who said that? Taxes are what you pay to be a member of the society you live, and also to help those less fortunate, like your neighbors. You can skip paying those, if you stop living in society, many done that before, and it is still possible.You can't possibly see taxes as "forcing someone to buy something they do not want" right? Two completely different things. And yes, this is all my opinion, like most comments on HN.
- PaulDavisThe1st 9mo ago
  > You can skip paying those, if you stop living in society, many done that before, and it is still possible. Actually, generally speaking this is almost certainly not possible for more than short periods of time.
  - embedding-shape 9mo ago
    It certainly is possible, people do it all the time, in various countries. Most of the time we call them "homeless", but also there are people who literally set up camp in the forest then stay there, it isn't unheard of. The book "The Stranger in the Woods" is one such case, about a man who lived in the woods for 27 years by himself. That said, it isn't easy, and it's harder in some countries than others, but I'd still say it's possible in many countries today, YMMV.
    - direwolf20 9mo ago
      And they still benefit from taxes.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 9mo ago
      Nothing like the exception for proving the rule ...
vegadw 9mo ago
> This is opinion, not fact Not OP, but it wasn't presented as a fact. Literally used the word Seams. > There is nothing more unjust than forcing someone to buy something they do not want simply because you think it would be good for them Seatbelts? Circuit breakers? Literally any safety equipment. You're required to have them because it's not just good for you, but expensive to society if hospital beds are low or there's not enough firetrucks to go around. Similarly, if you're polluting more than you have to be due to the source of your electricity, that's bad for everyone. I also rent, but I still understand that it's to the public's benefit that home owners (a class that is already above me in assets and wealth) be given motivation to consume cleaner energy if I don't want to have the climate get even worse. It's the same thing, just the effects feel less direct. That doesn't make them any less valid.
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amalcon 9mo ago
This is a failure of imagination. There are plenty of things that are more unjust than that.

by sneak 9mo ago

yen223 9mo ago

I feel like it's worse to force someone to buy something they do not want, knowing full well it's going to materially harm them

sneak 9mo ago
We are in agreement.

embedding-shape 9mo ago

> There is nothing more unjust than forcing someone to buy something they do not want simply because you think it would be good for them. Who said that? Taxes are what you pay to be a member of the society you live, and also to help those less fortunate, like your neighbors. You can skip paying those, if you stop living in society, many done that before, and it is still possible.You can't possibly see taxes as "forcing someone to buy something they do not want" right? Two completely different things. And yes, this is all my opinion, like most comments on HN.

PaulDavisThe1st 9mo ago
> You can skip paying those, if you stop living in society, many done that before, and it is still possible. Actually, generally speaking this is almost certainly not possible for more than short periods of time.
- embedding-shape 9mo ago
  It certainly is possible, people do it all the time, in various countries. Most of the time we call them "homeless", but also there are people who literally set up camp in the forest then stay there, it isn't unheard of. The book "The Stranger in the Woods" is one such case, about a man who lived in the woods for 27 years by himself. That said, it isn't easy, and it's harder in some countries than others, but I'd still say it's possible in many countries today, YMMV.
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    And they still benefit from taxes.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 9mo ago
    Nothing like the exception for proving the rule ...

vegadw 9mo ago

> This is opinion, not fact Not OP, but it wasn't presented as a fact. Literally used the word Seams. > There is nothing more unjust than forcing someone to buy something they do not want simply because you think it would be good for them Seatbelts? Circuit breakers? Literally any safety equipment. You're required to have them because it's not just good for you, but expensive to society if hospital beds are low or there's not enough firetrucks to go around. Similarly, if you're polluting more than you have to be due to the source of your electricity, that's bad for everyone. I also rent, but I still understand that it's to the public's benefit that home owners (a class that is already above me in assets and wealth) be given motivation to consume cleaner energy if I don't want to have the climate get even worse. It's the same thing, just the effects feel less direct. That doesn't make them any less valid.

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amalcon 9mo ago

This is a failure of imagination. There are plenty of things that are more unjust than that.