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The Chinese labs distill the SOTA models to boost the performance of theirs. They are a trailer hooked up (with a 3-6 month long chain) to the trucks pushing th

by WarmWash 10mo ago

The Chinese labs distill the SOTA models to boost the performance of theirs. They are a trailer hooked up (with a 3-6 month long chain) to the trucks pushing the technology forwards. I've yet to see a trailer overtake it's truck. China would need an architectural breakthrough to leap American labs given the huge compute disparity.

aaa_aaa 10mo ago
No all they need is time. I am awaiting the dowfall of the ai hegemony and hype with popcorn at hand.
mhuffman 10mo ago
I would be happy with an openweight 3 month old Claude
- cmrdporcupine 10mo ago
  DeepSeek 3.2 is frankly fairly close to that. GLM 4.7 as well. They're basically around Sonnet 4 level.
miklosz 10mo ago
I have seen indeed a trailer overtake its truck. Not a beautiful view.
- digdugdirk 10mo ago
  Agreed. I do think the metaphor still holds though. A financial jackknifing of the AI industry seems to be one very plausible outcome as these promises/expectations of the AI companies starts meeting reality.
overfeed 10mo ago
Care to explain how the volume of AI research papers authored by Chinese researchers[1] has exceeded US-published ones? Time-traveling plagiarism perhaps, since you believe the US is destined to lead always. 1. Chinese researcher in China, to be more specific.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  Volume is easy: they have far more people, it is quality that counts.
  - overfeed 10mo ago
    Perhaps you should pay attention to where the puck is going to be, rather than where it is currently. Lots of original ideas are coming out of Chinese AI research[1], denying this betrays some level of cope. 1. e.g. select any DeepSeek release, and read the accompanying paper
    - sieabahlpark 10mo ago
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    - jacquesm 10mo ago
      I'll pay attention to where the puck is because that is something I can observe, where it is going to be is anybody's guess. Lots of original ideas are coming out of Chinese AI research but there is also lots of junk. I think in the longer term they will have the advantage but right now that simply isn't the case. Your 'cope' accusation has no place here, I have no dog in the race and do not need to cope with anything.
      - overfeed 10mo ago
        > Your 'cope' accusation has no place here I will rephrase my statement and continue to stand by it: "Denying the volume of original AI research being done by China - a falsifiable metric - betrays some level of cope." You seem to agree on the fact that China has surpassed the US. As for quality, I'll say expertise is a result of execution. At some point in time during off-shoring, the US had qualitatively better machinists that China, despite manufacturing volumes. That is no longer the case today - as they say, cream floats to the top, and that holds true for a pot or an industrial-sized vat.
        10mo ago
genewitch 10mo ago
can you point me at another free voice cloning / tts model with this fidelity and, i guess prompt adherence? because i've been on youtube and insta, and believe me, no one else even compares, yet.

aaa_aaa 10mo ago

No all they need is time. I am awaiting the dowfall of the ai hegemony and hype with popcorn at hand.

mhuffman 10mo ago

I would be happy with an openweight 3 month old Claude

cmrdporcupine 10mo ago
DeepSeek 3.2 is frankly fairly close to that. GLM 4.7 as well. They're basically around Sonnet 4 level.

miklosz 10mo ago

I have seen indeed a trailer overtake its truck. Not a beautiful view.

digdugdirk 10mo ago
Agreed. I do think the metaphor still holds though. A financial jackknifing of the AI industry seems to be one very plausible outcome as these promises/expectations of the AI companies starts meeting reality.

overfeed 10mo ago

Care to explain how the volume of AI research papers authored by Chinese researchers[1] has exceeded US-published ones? Time-traveling plagiarism perhaps, since you believe the US is destined to lead always. 1. Chinese researcher in China, to be more specific.

jacquesm 10mo ago
Volume is easy: they have far more people, it is quality that counts.
- overfeed 10mo ago
  Perhaps you should pay attention to where the puck is going to be, rather than where it is currently. Lots of original ideas are coming out of Chinese AI research[1], denying this betrays some level of cope. 1. e.g. select any DeepSeek release, and read the accompanying paper
  - sieabahlpark 10mo ago
    [dead]
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    I'll pay attention to where the puck is because that is something I can observe, where it is going to be is anybody's guess. Lots of original ideas are coming out of Chinese AI research but there is also lots of junk. I think in the longer term they will have the advantage but right now that simply isn't the case. Your 'cope' accusation has no place here, I have no dog in the race and do not need to cope with anything.
    - overfeed 10mo ago
      > Your 'cope' accusation has no place here I will rephrase my statement and continue to stand by it: "Denying the volume of original AI research being done by China - a falsifiable metric - betrays some level of cope." You seem to agree on the fact that China has surpassed the US. As for quality, I'll say expertise is a result of execution. At some point in time during off-shoring, the US had qualitatively better machinists that China, despite manufacturing volumes. That is no longer the case today - as they say, cream floats to the top, and that holds true for a pot or an industrial-sized vat.
      - 10mo ago

genewitch 10mo ago

can you point me at another free voice cloning / tts model with this fidelity and, i guess prompt adherence? because i've been on youtube and insta, and believe me, no one else even compares, yet.