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450W-500W solar panels are as low as 52€ here in Germany if you buy a couple of them. Batteries are also very affordable and I look forward to them getting a lo

by Tepix 9mo ago

450W-500W solar panels are as low as 52€ here in Germany if you buy a couple of them. Batteries are also very affordable and I look forward to them getting a lot cheaper soon, thanks to Sodium-Ion.

testing22321 9mo ago
The price of panels is falling so fast I don’t think anyone truly understands. I paid nearly double that for our 450w panels 18 months ago.
- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  They are cheaper than fencing material, and will continue to decline in price.
  - cromka 9mo ago
    And, credit where credit is due, it's all thanks to China.
    - direwolf20 9mo ago
      The one country that still produces goods rather than switching to complete financialization!
      - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        "How are you so successful?" "Oh, well, we build you know. It's a dying art. Have you tried it?"
      - epolanski 9mo ago
        Just to point out, but producing goods in exchange for pieced of paper is a weak system, especially if it's focus is export and not internal consumption, see Germany, Japan, Italy or China, all slowing down due to their reliance on exports.
        direwolf20 9mo ago
        To stay strong, you have to keep exercising your muscles or they will atrophy. To stay smart, you have to keep exercising your brain. To be able to produce stuff, you have to keep producing stuff no matter which country it goes to.
    - lurk2 9mo ago
      2022-11-28 - “About 2.6 million Uyghur and Kazakh people have been subjected to coercion, “re-education programs” and internment in the Xinjiang region of north-west China, which is the source of 40-45% of the world’s solar-grade polysilicon. A report by the United Nations office of the high commissioner for human rights three months ago found Xinjiang was home to “serious human rights violations”, and the US has listed polysilicon from China as a material likely to have been produced by child or forced labour.” https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/29/evidence-grows-of-forced-labour-and-slavery-in-production-of-solar-panels-wind-turbines https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/29/evidence... 2024-08-27 - Indian solar panels face US scrutiny for possible links to China forced labor https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indian-solar-panels-face-us-scrutiny-possible-links-china-forced-labor-2024-08-27/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indian-solar-panels-... 2025-04-30 - Human Rights in the Life Cycle of Renewable Energy and Critical Minerals https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/issues/climatechange/cfis/life-cycle-minerals/subm-hr-life-cycle-aca-crock-et-al.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/issues/c...
      - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        The US has forced [1] and child [2] labor as well. It's certainly not welcome, but context is important when casting the first stone. [1] Forced prison labor in the “Land of the Free” - https://www.epi.org/publication/rooted-racism-prison-labor/ https://www.epi.org/publication/rooted-racism-prison-labor/ - January 16th, 2025 [2] [US] Child labor law violations are at their highest in decades. - https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2024/05/01/child-labor-law-violations-247831/ https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2024/05/01/... - May 1st, 2024 (staunchly anti child and forced labor to be clear)
      - Analemma_ 9mo ago
        I mean I don't exactly have great news for you about the human rights situations in major oil-producing countries either. Not to do whataboutism, but if your energy source is going to implicate you in human rights abuses either way, you might as well take the clean renewable one.
      - coryrc 9mo ago
- foobarian 9mo ago
  People keep saying that prices of panels keep falling, and yet any time I look at getting panels on my roof the price is the same $3/W it has been for 10 years already.
  - testing22321 9mo ago
    Buying the panels yourself, or an install company supplying them? What country? In 10 years the price has fallen dramatically, you’re getting majorly ripped off.
  - csomar 9mo ago
    The prices are falling at the source, but free trade was never real; and it's even less so today. By the time these panels reach your roof, all kinds of fees and taxes have been tacked on. You'll be paying the maximal extractable amount.
choeger 9mo ago
The panel price doesn't matter. It's the installation and the surroundings (electrical setup, converter, battery) that determine the price nowadays.

by Tepix 9mo ago

450W-500W solar panels are as low as 52€ here in Germany if you buy a couple of them. Batteries are also very affordable and I look forward to them getting a lot cheaper soon, thanks to Sodium-Ion.

testing22321 9mo ago

The price of panels is falling so fast I don’t think anyone truly understands. I paid nearly double that for our 450w panels 18 months ago.

toomuchtodo 9mo ago
They are cheaper than fencing material, and will continue to decline in price.
- cromka 9mo ago
  And, credit where credit is due, it's all thanks to China.
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    The one country that still produces goods rather than switching to complete financialization!
    - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
      "How are you so successful?" "Oh, well, we build you know. It's a dying art. Have you tried it?"
    - epolanski 9mo ago
      Just to point out, but producing goods in exchange for pieced of paper is a weak system, especially if it's focus is export and not internal consumption, see Germany, Japan, Italy or China, all slowing down due to their reliance on exports.
      - direwolf20 9mo ago
        To stay strong, you have to keep exercising your muscles or they will atrophy. To stay smart, you have to keep exercising your brain. To be able to produce stuff, you have to keep producing stuff no matter which country it goes to.
  - lurk2 9mo ago
    2022-11-28 - “About 2.6 million Uyghur and Kazakh people have been subjected to coercion, “re-education programs” and internment in the Xinjiang region of north-west China, which is the source of 40-45% of the world’s solar-grade polysilicon. A report by the United Nations office of the high commissioner for human rights three months ago found Xinjiang was home to “serious human rights violations”, and the US has listed polysilicon from China as a material likely to have been produced by child or forced labour.” https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/29/evidence-grows-of-forced-labour-and-slavery-in-production-of-solar-panels-wind-turbines https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/29/evidence... 2024-08-27 - Indian solar panels face US scrutiny for possible links to China forced labor https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indian-solar-panels-face-us-scrutiny-possible-links-china-forced-labor-2024-08-27/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indian-solar-panels-... 2025-04-30 - Human Rights in the Life Cycle of Renewable Energy and Critical Minerals https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/issues/climatechange/cfis/life-cycle-minerals/subm-hr-life-cycle-aca-crock-et-al.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/issues/c...
    - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
      The US has forced [1] and child [2] labor as well. It's certainly not welcome, but context is important when casting the first stone. [1] Forced prison labor in the “Land of the Free” - https://www.epi.org/publication/rooted-racism-prison-labor/ https://www.epi.org/publication/rooted-racism-prison-labor/ - January 16th, 2025 [2] [US] Child labor law violations are at their highest in decades. - https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2024/05/01/child-labor-law-violations-247831/ https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2024/05/01/... - May 1st, 2024 (staunchly anti child and forced labor to be clear)
    - Analemma_ 9mo ago
      I mean I don't exactly have great news for you about the human rights situations in major oil-producing countries either. Not to do whataboutism, but if your energy source is going to implicate you in human rights abuses either way, you might as well take the clean renewable one.
    - coryrc 9mo ago
foobarian 9mo ago
People keep saying that prices of panels keep falling, and yet any time I look at getting panels on my roof the price is the same $3/W it has been for 10 years already.
- testing22321 9mo ago
  Buying the panels yourself, or an install company supplying them? What country? In 10 years the price has fallen dramatically, you’re getting majorly ripped off.
- csomar 9mo ago
  The prices are falling at the source, but free trade was never real; and it's even less so today. By the time these panels reach your roof, all kinds of fees and taxes have been tacked on. You'll be paying the maximal extractable amount.

choeger 9mo ago

The panel price doesn't matter. It's the installation and the surroundings (electrical setup, converter, battery) that determine the price nowadays.