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Missing from your calculus are the healthcare costs of every person in a country breathing in fumes from electricity plants that burn coal and fumes from cars t

Missing from your calculus are the healthcare costs of every person in a country breathing in fumes from electricity plants that burn coal and fumes from cars that burn gasoline. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666759220300500 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266675922... (And a gazillion other studies.)

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- microtonal 9mo ago
  One should definitely think about the children when choosing coal/gasoline vs. full electric. In fact we did and we have an electric car, replaced our gas cooking top by induction, and our gas-based heating by a heat pump. Last time I boarded an airplane was in 2019 I think.
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  - DetectDefect 9mo ago
    > In fact we did and we have an electric car, replaced our gas cooking top by induction, and our gas-based heating by a heat pump. Last time I boarded an airplane was in 2019 I think. Fantastic virtue signaling. Of course totally devoid of any mention about the individuals picking raw materials for those electric car components though, since they're not "our" children.
    - triceratops 9mo ago
      > Of course totally devoid of any mention about the individuals picking raw materials for those electric car components You think elves drill oil and mine coal?
- nehal3m 9mo ago
  Strange that in your comment history you're all about the democratization of technology, but you seem to be against solar of all things? Talk about decentralized power!
  - DetectDefect 9mo ago
    The only thing strange is trolling comment history instead of rebutting the argument made on its own merit.
boringg 9mo ago
Not supporting OP because I think hes backwards on the matter. However in Canada the electricity that is being burned isn't coal based - so you need to compare the actual grid not some hypothetical grid.
- microtonal 9mo ago
  That's a fair point, though I think OP's recommendation to switch to solar is also to people outside Canada and most of the world is still burning fossil fuels to generate electricity.
  - boringg 9mo ago
    OP probably shouldn't have been replying to a Canada based question.
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  - boringg 9mo ago
    The vagueness of your statement makes it impossible to discern any actual point outside of some broad anger/frustration packaged as humor.
  - jnovek 9mo ago
    You are being very aggressive and confrontational in your comments and people are responding in kind.
    - DetectDefect 9mo ago
      Not really. People are angry because it is likely their first time hearing a contrarian narrative about solar energy, which likely challenges their own sunk-cost fallacy as solar panel owners.
vixen99 9mo ago
Especially when they are offshored to China. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-023-01308-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-023-01308-x
cmxch 9mo ago
Those costs can be safely deemed as 0, especially when you use Reed Elsevier.

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microtonal 9mo ago
One should definitely think about the children when choosing coal/gasoline vs. full electric. In fact we did and we have an electric car, replaced our gas cooking top by induction, and our gas-based heating by a heat pump. Last time I boarded an airplane was in 2019 I think.
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- DetectDefect 9mo ago
  > In fact we did and we have an electric car, replaced our gas cooking top by induction, and our gas-based heating by a heat pump. Last time I boarded an airplane was in 2019 I think. Fantastic virtue signaling. Of course totally devoid of any mention about the individuals picking raw materials for those electric car components though, since they're not "our" children.
  - triceratops 9mo ago
    > Of course totally devoid of any mention about the individuals picking raw materials for those electric car components You think elves drill oil and mine coal?
nehal3m 9mo ago
Strange that in your comment history you're all about the democratization of technology, but you seem to be against solar of all things? Talk about decentralized power!
- DetectDefect 9mo ago
  The only thing strange is trolling comment history instead of rebutting the argument made on its own merit.

boringg 9mo ago

Not supporting OP because I think hes backwards on the matter. However in Canada the electricity that is being burned isn't coal based - so you need to compare the actual grid not some hypothetical grid.

microtonal 9mo ago
That's a fair point, though I think OP's recommendation to switch to solar is also to people outside Canada and most of the world is still burning fossil fuels to generate electricity.
- boringg 9mo ago
  OP probably shouldn't have been replying to a Canada based question.
DetectDefect 9mo ago
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- boringg 9mo ago
  The vagueness of your statement makes it impossible to discern any actual point outside of some broad anger/frustration packaged as humor.
- jnovek 9mo ago
  You are being very aggressive and confrontational in your comments and people are responding in kind.
  - DetectDefect 9mo ago
    Not really. People are angry because it is likely their first time hearing a contrarian narrative about solar energy, which likely challenges their own sunk-cost fallacy as solar panel owners.

vixen99 9mo ago

Especially when they are offshored to China. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-023-01308-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-023-01308-x

cmxch 9mo ago

Those costs can be safely deemed as 0, especially when you use Reed Elsevier.