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But Trump explained to us yesterday, how wind and solar is for losers. Surely, we should be looking in to how we can transition back to fossils.

by flexie 8mo ago

nxm 8mo ago
At the end of the day, the retail cost of electricity in many EU member countries can be two to three times the cost of electricity in the US. Ultimately that’s what matters to consumers and businesses. Also, Trump called out the idiotic decisions by greenies such as shutting down nuclear power plants and make long your industries less competitive as a result.
- coredev_ 8mo ago
  If this is true, it has nothing to do with solar or wind but rather strange decisions in the past in some countries that they (and their neighbors) pay for now (looking at you Germany).
  - p0pularopinion 8mo ago
    Nuclear does not cause prices to be lower. Putting that aside, political discourse here in Germany was "interesting" to say the least. The shift to renewables started off pretty well in the early 2010s before it came to a grinding halt thanks to some wierd debates around the topic. For the past few years, buildout of solar has been remarkably fast, especially considering the slow pace of other projects. In 2025, 16.4 GW of solar power went live. The biggest issue that drives prices here is the grid. New high voltages transmission lines have faced intense local oppsition, so transmision between North and South is limited, which is problematic given the focus of the north on (offshore) wind and the south on solar PV. Since Germany is a single electricity price zone, the low to negative electricity prices from wind turbines do not reflect the reality of grid capabilities, resulting in significant redispatch costs. The solution would be obvious. Split Germany into n electicity price zones (with n>1). However, there is a lot of political opposition, specifically from the conservative CDU/CSU against this. So yeah, Germany is struggling with relatively expensive electrcity prices, complaining about it, but refusing to implement a borderline free solution for it.
    - MadDemon 8mo ago
      The high voltage DC transmission lines from north to south are being built right now and for example SuedLink is expected to be operational in 2028. Their transmission capacity will be more than enough. Why would you split Germany into electricity zones now, if in a few years the transmission problem will largely be fixed?
    - coredev_ 8mo ago
      Nuclear that was built a long time ago would probably have lowered the prices in DE right now, if they weren't shut down. I understand that building new ones right now makes little sense.
      - ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
        Only if it the nuclear didn't need refurbished to keep running. France and Canada are currently estimating costs to refurb old nuclear that are higher then new build renewables.
        Moldoteck 8mo ago
        Refurb costs are for the entire fleet which is 50+GW and are in fact dirt cheap. Refurbs are in 1-3bn/unit range. CF of say solar in this region is roughly 10-12%. To have same average output as a single 1GW npp you would need about 10GW solar and much more if you want to achieve firm generation. French refurbs will happen anyway. In fact, carenage is already undergoing.
        ViewTrick1002 8mo ago
        In Ontario they now want to double the electricity price to 15 cents kWh to finance refurbs and ”SMR” new builds. https://reneweconomy.com.au/ontario-utility-wants-to-double-the-asking-price-of-nuclear-while-us-wants-reactors-on-the-moon/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/ontario-utility-wants-to-double-... New built nuclear power simply does not make any sense anymore given the costs and timelines involved.
- KaiserPro 8mo ago
  > in many EU member countries can be two to three times the cost of electricity in the US. Yup, I wonder why that might be, perhaps its due to our main supplier of gas and oil invading a country. Not sure though, if only the price graphs reflected that. oh wait. > shutting down nuclear power plants Germany fucked up there. but france and Finland haven't done that. Spain has cheap electricity because of solar power its wholesale price is currently lower than the US, in winter.
EdiX 8mo ago
Declining industrially and demographically, no innovation, soaring energy prices, and our share of the world economy has shrunk for ten years straight and is projected to continue shrinking in the future. By all metrics us europeans are losers.
- EB-Barrington 8mo ago
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But Trump explained to us yesterday, how wind and solar is for losers. Surely, we should be looking in to how we can transition back to fossils.

by flexie 8mo ago

But Trump explained to us yesterday, how wind and solar is for losers. Surely, we should be looking in to how we can transition back to fossils.

nxm 8mo ago

At the end of the day, the retail cost of electricity in many EU member countries can be two to three times the cost of electricity in the US. Ultimately that’s what matters to consumers and businesses. Also, Trump called out the idiotic decisions by greenies such as shutting down nuclear power plants and make long your industries less competitive as a result.

coredev_ 8mo ago
If this is true, it has nothing to do with solar or wind but rather strange decisions in the past in some countries that they (and their neighbors) pay for now (looking at you Germany).
- p0pularopinion 8mo ago
  Nuclear does not cause prices to be lower. Putting that aside, political discourse here in Germany was "interesting" to say the least. The shift to renewables started off pretty well in the early 2010s before it came to a grinding halt thanks to some wierd debates around the topic. For the past few years, buildout of solar has been remarkably fast, especially considering the slow pace of other projects. In 2025, 16.4 GW of solar power went live. The biggest issue that drives prices here is the grid. New high voltages transmission lines have faced intense local oppsition, so transmision between North and South is limited, which is problematic given the focus of the north on (offshore) wind and the south on solar PV. Since Germany is a single electricity price zone, the low to negative electricity prices from wind turbines do not reflect the reality of grid capabilities, resulting in significant redispatch costs. The solution would be obvious. Split Germany into n electicity price zones (with n>1). However, there is a lot of political opposition, specifically from the conservative CDU/CSU against this. So yeah, Germany is struggling with relatively expensive electrcity prices, complaining about it, but refusing to implement a borderline free solution for it.
  - MadDemon 8mo ago
    The high voltage DC transmission lines from north to south are being built right now and for example SuedLink is expected to be operational in 2028. Their transmission capacity will be more than enough. Why would you split Germany into electricity zones now, if in a few years the transmission problem will largely be fixed?
  - coredev_ 8mo ago
    Nuclear that was built a long time ago would probably have lowered the prices in DE right now, if they weren't shut down. I understand that building new ones right now makes little sense.
    - ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
      Only if it the nuclear didn't need refurbished to keep running. France and Canada are currently estimating costs to refurb old nuclear that are higher then new build renewables.
      - Moldoteck 8mo ago
        Refurb costs are for the entire fleet which is 50+GW and are in fact dirt cheap. Refurbs are in 1-3bn/unit range. CF of say solar in this region is roughly 10-12%. To have same average output as a single 1GW npp you would need about 10GW solar and much more if you want to achieve firm generation. French refurbs will happen anyway. In fact, carenage is already undergoing.
        ViewTrick1002 8mo ago
        In Ontario they now want to double the electricity price to 15 cents kWh to finance refurbs and ”SMR” new builds. https://reneweconomy.com.au/ontario-utility-wants-to-double-the-asking-price-of-nuclear-while-us-wants-reactors-on-the-moon/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/ontario-utility-wants-to-double-... New built nuclear power simply does not make any sense anymore given the costs and timelines involved.
KaiserPro 8mo ago
> in many EU member countries can be two to three times the cost of electricity in the US. Yup, I wonder why that might be, perhaps its due to our main supplier of gas and oil invading a country. Not sure though, if only the price graphs reflected that. oh wait. > shutting down nuclear power plants Germany fucked up there. but france and Finland haven't done that. Spain has cheap electricity because of solar power its wholesale price is currently lower than the US, in winter.

EdiX 8mo ago

Declining industrially and demographically, no innovation, soaring energy prices, and our share of the world economy has shrunk for ten years straight and is projected to continue shrinking in the future. By all metrics us europeans are losers.

EB-Barrington 8mo ago
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