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> Dwyer claims Granger’s act was akin to slashing someone’s tires to protest the oil industry. Granger's protest was properly executed as you slash the tires o

> Dwyer claims Granger’s act was akin to slashing someone’s tires to protest the oil industry. Granger's protest was properly executed as you slash the tires of the oil trucks and oil execs - you strike the people peddling what you are protesting. So of course Dwyer is trying to downplay the significance.

ronsor 9mo ago
Wouldn't it make more sense to strike OpenAI, or Midjourney, or whatever else then? Aside from that, I don't think this "protest" will result in anything more than maybe some increased security (and maybe more arrests if he inspires others to do similar).
- yifanl 9mo ago
  I'm sure he'll be happy to eat whatever sama frames in the MOMA too, but you can only protest what's in your reach.
- __loam 9mo ago
  Eating all AI "art" that tries to displace real artists in these spaces is the only moral decision.
  - ronsor 9mo ago
    I think I'd like to opt out of mob "justice" personally.
    - __loam 9mo ago
      It's inevitable when the institutions are so thoroughly bought by the people building this technology.
- striking 9mo ago
  Got you to talk about it, though, didn't it? > CW: Do you consider what you did protest, performance art, both, or something else? > GG: Both. It’s a protest against the school’s AI policy specifically and it’s performance art because I needed something that would elicit a reaction. So this could reach more people. Not everything has to be a global battle for all the marbles. Sometimes you're just pissed off that your school has a stupid policy and the administration won't listen to you. No better way to change that than make the news (aside from maybe going after donors).
  - ronsor 9mo ago
    > Got you to talk about it, though, didn't it? Perhaps it did, although not in favor of what he's seeking.
    - striking 9mo ago
      That's all the better for a cause that needs attention. If everyone's to one side then the conversation quickly dies out, while if something is contentious there will be two or more parties keeping it alive. A protest doesn't need to be perfect and it shouldn't convince everyone who sees it in one shot. A protest that causes outrage is much more effective at reaching whoever it needs to reach.
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- alwa 9mo ago
  I mean -- we're talking about it, aren't we? Maybe I'm giving more credit than is due, but my mind went to an inverted kind of echo of Cloaca... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca_(art_installation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca_(art_installation)
cryzinger 9mo ago
I don't know, on principle (and in matters of taste) I'm certainly not a fan of AI art, but I think Dwyer's work here was far from "peddling," and at least attempted to do something interesting with the format/medium: > Shadow Searching: ChatGPT psychosis is a body of work made in collaboration with artificial intelligence which depicts a co-op between a human artist and AI that started as a thought experiment to produce a perfect partner based on one’s Jungian shadow. In the process of this goal a compounding relationship formed with the ai chat bot via recursive mirroring. The work explores identity, character narrative creation and crafting false memories of relationships in an interactive role digitally crafted before, during and after a state of AI psychosis. This highlights and embodies a growing trend that can be dangerous or unpredictable which you are not immune to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWy4UP-ti1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWy4UP-ti1s The execution honestly doesn't impress me much--remember Loab? I would've loved to see the generic pretty girls devolve into something like that, lol--but I think AI psychosis and AI "companions" are relevant and potentially rich topics to explore. I respect it more than that "Théâtre D'opéra Spatial" piece that made a splash a few years back.
NedF 9mo ago
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ronsor 9mo ago

Wouldn't it make more sense to strike OpenAI, or Midjourney, or whatever else then? Aside from that, I don't think this "protest" will result in anything more than maybe some increased security (and maybe more arrests if he inspires others to do similar).

yifanl 9mo ago
I'm sure he'll be happy to eat whatever sama frames in the MOMA too, but you can only protest what's in your reach.
__loam 9mo ago
Eating all AI "art" that tries to displace real artists in these spaces is the only moral decision.
- ronsor 9mo ago
  I think I'd like to opt out of mob "justice" personally.
  - __loam 9mo ago
    It's inevitable when the institutions are so thoroughly bought by the people building this technology.
striking 9mo ago
Got you to talk about it, though, didn't it? > CW: Do you consider what you did protest, performance art, both, or something else? > GG: Both. It’s a protest against the school’s AI policy specifically and it’s performance art because I needed something that would elicit a reaction. So this could reach more people. Not everything has to be a global battle for all the marbles. Sometimes you're just pissed off that your school has a stupid policy and the administration won't listen to you. No better way to change that than make the news (aside from maybe going after donors).
- ronsor 9mo ago
  > Got you to talk about it, though, didn't it? Perhaps it did, although not in favor of what he's seeking.
  - striking 9mo ago
    That's all the better for a cause that needs attention. If everyone's to one side then the conversation quickly dies out, while if something is contentious there will be two or more parties keeping it alive. A protest doesn't need to be perfect and it shouldn't convince everyone who sees it in one shot. A protest that causes outrage is much more effective at reaching whoever it needs to reach.
- deleted 9mo ago
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alwa 9mo ago
I mean -- we're talking about it, aren't we? Maybe I'm giving more credit than is due, but my mind went to an inverted kind of echo of Cloaca... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca_(art_installation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca_(art_installation)

cryzinger 9mo ago

I don't know, on principle (and in matters of taste) I'm certainly not a fan of AI art, but I think Dwyer's work here was far from "peddling," and at least attempted to do something interesting with the format/medium: > Shadow Searching: ChatGPT psychosis is a body of work made in collaboration with artificial intelligence which depicts a co-op between a human artist and AI that started as a thought experiment to produce a perfect partner based on one’s Jungian shadow. In the process of this goal a compounding relationship formed with the ai chat bot via recursive mirroring. The work explores identity, character narrative creation and crafting false memories of relationships in an interactive role digitally crafted before, during and after a state of AI psychosis. This highlights and embodies a growing trend that can be dangerous or unpredictable which you are not immune to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWy4UP-ti1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWy4UP-ti1s The execution honestly doesn't impress me much--remember Loab? I would've loved to see the generic pretty girls devolve into something like that, lol--but I think AI psychosis and AI "companions" are relevant and potentially rich topics to explore. I respect it more than that "Théâtre D'opéra Spatial" piece that made a splash a few years back.

NedF 9mo ago

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