3 ms·

Nadella lost sight of the goal. Windows 7 was Ballmer.

skrebbel 9mo ago
Nadella more than 10x'ed the value of Microsoft. I doubt many MS execs think it was the wrong call to move Windows work to the B team. EDIT: somehow people seem to think I'm defending MS here. I'm not, I'm concurring that MS willingly turned Windows to shit (by moving it to the B team) because they thought they could earn more money elsewhere (and they were right). I don't like it, but I bet the people who got filthy rich over it do.
- ranger_danger 9mo ago
  I'm assuming they were referring to a non-monetary goal.
- agildehaus 9mo ago
  Through Azure, Office, LinkedIn, gaming. Not so much Windows.
  - jack_pp 9mo ago
    They're fucking up even gaming, that awful gamebar is a pain to disable. Had to do it from powershell and even after it's gone Alt + W won't work in games.
    - 306bobby 9mo ago
      I have a de-bloated win11 build running on my gaming rig, and I still occasionally get the prompt "no program to open link: ms-gamebar://" or something similar
  - skrebbel 9mo ago
    Indeed! That's why they moved Windows to the B team.
- honeycrispy 9mo ago
  That mindset is why every tech product is turning to shit. They're not consumer focused. All Nadella cares about is making the stock price go up and extracting value.
  - emchammer 9mo ago
    It’s the same with Apple. Sure, their product is proprietary, but the producers are not the only ones with a stake in it.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 9mo ago
    At some point we went through the looking glass where the stock is the product. Is this a new phenomena? Stocks aren't new. Why is the modern market treated like this? Did Henry Ford make his vehicles shitter to increase his stock value?
    - pseudalopex 9mo ago
      Companies with insufficient competition treated customers badly always. Antitrust enforcement weakened since the 1970s. And investors demanded short term gains.
    - cornonthecobra 9mo ago
      It's the private equity era. Much like how legislative behaviour is now dictated by the wealthy even to the point of contradicting the will/desire of informed voters, corporate behaviour is now dictated by private equity investment to the point of contradicting the demand from informed user/consumers.
    - M95D 9mo ago
      > Did Henry Ford make his vehicles shitter to increase his stock value? You should really really read about Dodge vs. Ford case. It all started with that case.
- yndoendo 9mo ago
  Stock price does not equal good software. Quite the opposite because your trying to exploit the end user for more profit.
- cadamsdotcom 9mo ago
  Sorry you’re getting downvoted. Ideally downvoting would be for unconstructive posts, or posts with good info / good contributions that are presented unconstructively. You’re just being controversial. That’s not a strong enough reason to downvote someone.
  - honeycrispy 9mo ago
    Thanks for pointing this out. I don't participate in HN discussions like I used to because the HN crowd and I don't agree on much, and down-votes is not an engaging counter-point.
    - cadamsdotcom 9mo ago
      It’s possible the HN crowd has more lurkers lately with things getting more controversial.. maybe seeing your voice more would help bring balance. After all, you might be part of a silent majority!
  - skrebbel 9mo ago
    Fwiw I think it’s perfectly fine if people downvote me if they disagree with me. I think that’s an unavoidable effect of having up/down arrows, regardless of what the rules say. If i say something controversial I expect some downvotes. I just hadn't expressed myself clearly enough initially, everybody took me as a “money makes right” capitalist (not a weird assumption, theres plenty of those here on HN) and fortunately could still edit to clarify.

Nadella more than 10x'ed the value of Microsoft. I doubt many MS execs think it was the wrong call to move Windows work to the B team. EDIT: somehow people seem to think I'm defending MS here. I'm not, I'm concurring that MS willingly turned Windows to shit (by moving it to the B team) because they thought they could earn more money elsewhere (and they were right). I don't like it, but I bet the people who got filthy rich over it do.

ranger_danger 9mo ago
I'm assuming they were referring to a non-monetary goal.
agildehaus 9mo ago
Through Azure, Office, LinkedIn, gaming. Not so much Windows.
- jack_pp 9mo ago
  They're fucking up even gaming, that awful gamebar is a pain to disable. Had to do it from powershell and even after it's gone Alt + W won't work in games.
  - 306bobby 9mo ago
    I have a de-bloated win11 build running on my gaming rig, and I still occasionally get the prompt "no program to open link: ms-gamebar://" or something similar
- skrebbel 9mo ago
  Indeed! That's why they moved Windows to the B team.
honeycrispy 9mo ago
That mindset is why every tech product is turning to shit. They're not consumer focused. All Nadella cares about is making the stock price go up and extracting value.
- emchammer 9mo ago
  It’s the same with Apple. Sure, their product is proprietary, but the producers are not the only ones with a stake in it.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 9mo ago
  At some point we went through the looking glass where the stock is the product. Is this a new phenomena? Stocks aren't new. Why is the modern market treated like this? Did Henry Ford make his vehicles shitter to increase his stock value?
  - pseudalopex 9mo ago
    Companies with insufficient competition treated customers badly always. Antitrust enforcement weakened since the 1970s. And investors demanded short term gains.
  - cornonthecobra 9mo ago
    It's the private equity era. Much like how legislative behaviour is now dictated by the wealthy even to the point of contradicting the will/desire of informed voters, corporate behaviour is now dictated by private equity investment to the point of contradicting the demand from informed user/consumers.
  - M95D 9mo ago
    > Did Henry Ford make his vehicles shitter to increase his stock value? You should really really read about Dodge vs. Ford case. It all started with that case.
yndoendo 9mo ago
Stock price does not equal good software. Quite the opposite because your trying to exploit the end user for more profit.
cadamsdotcom 9mo ago
Sorry you’re getting downvoted. Ideally downvoting would be for unconstructive posts, or posts with good info / good contributions that are presented unconstructively. You’re just being controversial. That’s not a strong enough reason to downvote someone.
- honeycrispy 9mo ago
  Thanks for pointing this out. I don't participate in HN discussions like I used to because the HN crowd and I don't agree on much, and down-votes is not an engaging counter-point.
  - cadamsdotcom 9mo ago
    It’s possible the HN crowd has more lurkers lately with things getting more controversial.. maybe seeing your voice more would help bring balance. After all, you might be part of a silent majority!
- skrebbel 9mo ago
  Fwiw I think it’s perfectly fine if people downvote me if they disagree with me. I think that’s an unavoidable effect of having up/down arrows, regardless of what the rules say. If i say something controversial I expect some downvotes. I just hadn't expressed myself clearly enough initially, everybody took me as a “money makes right” capitalist (not a weird assumption, theres plenty of those here on HN) and fortunately could still edit to clarify.