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The mushroom making people hallucinate tiny humans
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- pstuart 9mo agoThis sounds like a variation of Machine Elves -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine#Entity_encounters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine#Entity_enco... Those are primarily associated with DMT (the one time I tried it, I too had such an encounter and I didn't know it was a thing until years later). I'm sure I'll be corrected on this but I think DMT and Psilocybin ultimately affect the same pathways so it's just more evidence that Machine Elves are real! (/s on the real part).
- emymin 9mo agoThe mushrooms that the article talks about do not contain psilocybin (it's still not clear what psychoactive compound they contain), but you are correct in that DMT and psilocybin, at comparable doses, have extremely similar subjective effects.
- Teknomadix 9mo agoAvid conosour of both DMT and Psilocybin and would not characterize the effects as “extremely similar”. Psychedelic yes, but profoundly different at their core in heroic doses—at least from my vantage point.
- tastyfreeze 9mo agoJust curious, nn-DMT or 5meo-DMT? I haven't tried either but have heard nn-DMT to be more the machine elves type experience and 5meo-DMT to elicit a feeling of not existing in the physical world anymore.
- temp0826 9mo agoUsually when people just say DMT they mean nn-DMT (which is a lot more visual/weird and can bring on the "elves" at breakthrough dosage). 5-meo-dmt(/bufo) is much more of a felt thing, but can definitely have some visual effects (I usually get enveloped in the bright white light of god before dissolving into everything/nothing, ymmv).
- pstuart 9mo agoSame vantage point here (with sample size n=1 on the DMT front).
- Teknomadix 9mo ago>“It's not psilocybin that's giving the L. asiatica mushrooms their lilliputian effect” Unknown compound ATM.
- pstuart 9mo agoYeah, my comment was a bit loose, but I think it's likely that the pathways are ultimately arriving at the same destination. I've done plenty of psychonaut adventures in the past but it was only that one experience with DMT that actually gave that experience -- but it was also the only time in which I completely disengaged from local reality.
- WarmWash 9mo agoThey are both serotonin analogues, but they definitely yield different experiences. In chemistry it often only takes a single atom difference to totally and radically change a molecule's properties.
- pstuart 9mo agoIt would be fascinating to have research into what is effectively manifesting the experience. My (extremely limited) understanding is that humans are "hardwired" for pattern recognition (especially faces) -- could there be some sort of ROM equivalent of "this pattern is another human" that gets engaged by the chemical experience?
- duskwuff 9mo agoMaybe. It's certainly the case that there are areas of the human brain which are specifically associated with recognizing faces, like the fusiform face area - it's an intrinsic capability of the brain, not one that's learned. But I'm not certain that's sufficient to explain what's happening here. Increasing the activation of that area would most likely result in a person perceiving faces everywhere (e.g. an extreme form of pareidolia), not entire humanoid figures.
- pstuart 9mo agoMalkovich? Malkovich! -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpev8JXJHQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpev8JXJHQ
- tim-tday 9mo agoYes, but where can I get some?
- Teknomadix 9mo agoYes, also curious where you might locate a few kilos of said fungi?
- amanaplanacanal 9mo agoThere are other species of the same genus that grow in southern Europe and north America, but if any contain the same compounds they don't appear in the literature. More research needed.
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- ge96 9mo agoCommon Side Effects? (show)
- codyklimdev 9mo agoGreat show!
- romperstomper 9mo ago+1 for this show )
- echelon_musk 9mo agoPrevious discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46393936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46393936
- CrzyLngPwd 9mo agoBut can we grow them in the UK?
- theturtlemoves 9mo ago> "It sounded so bizarre that there could be a mushroom out there causing fairytale-like visions reported across cultures and time," Domnauer says. Now I'm kinda curious whether fairy tales are the result of these visions or the other way around. Probably both.
- Urahandystar 9mo agoIt's generally accepted that the stories of fairies tied to specific locations across the UK and Ireland is due to the presence of magic mushrooms growing relatively close by.
- vintermann 9mo agoGenerally accepted by who? The British isles do not have old mushroom foraging traditions (in particular, what mushroom foraging traditions there are, are younger than fairy stories). Without some solid oral tradition, going around sampling mushrooms looking for a high is very risky. Even if there was a tradition, why would they be limited to only where particular mushrooms grew? They would surely be picked and transported then. For that matter, don't hallucinogenic mushroom varieties grow all over the British isles? Many mushrooms aren't very picky about climate. In short I don't believe this at all.
- partomniscient 9mo agoFWIW, mushroom rings are real, at least in the UK. They seemed to be affected by EMF, because I wandered past one centered directly centered under street power lines, I have no idea whether that's where a ley-line intersect it or not. I don't think they were psychedelic mushrooms though, but it was pretty cool seeing them growing in a large circle about 3-4m in diameter. The main point of the article is that they're psychedelic, but don't contain psilocybin as the active molecule. In earlier centuries it doesn't seem unreasonable to allow the possibility of the mushroom ingester to describe their experience as visiting the fae realm, whether in the UK or otherwise - as an accidental occurence I don't know how else people from the past would be able to explain what they perceived to others?
- dwroberts 9mo agoWonder if it will turn out to be related to muscimol that is in amanita mushrooms, as that is always described as more delirious and dream-like
- cthalupa 9mo agoMuscimol has not produced tiny people for me, but it definitely is different from psilocybin. It definitely is a weirder trip overall, though.
- creeble 9mo agoAlmost all of the reports from people I know who have done ayahuasca have reported seeing "elves". It's not only common, they say it's not a "valid" trip unless you do, and even converse with them. Though I don't know any reports of profound conversations.
- randomtoast 9mo agoI have done ayahuasca and many people report seeing something like this: http://pbmo.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/machine-elf-2.jpg http://pbmo.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/machine-elf-2.jpg I can say from my personal experience, that this is only one possible "hallucination" although quite common. > it's not a "valid" trip unless you do You can definitely have a life-changing experience without encountering machine elves.
- smt88 9mo agoFeels like now that I've seen it, it could become a self fulfilling prophecy
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- Klonoar 9mo agoThe idea that there is one “valid” trip is essentially gatekeeping and should be pushed back on whenever it comes up. It leads to one of the more unhealthy sides of the psychedelic experience - nobody should feel that they have to continually chase something that’s not happening for them. Like, I know at least two people who’ve done it in group settings with people who saw “elves” and they themselves didn’t see any. “Valid” as a descriptor is probably best replaced with “average”.
- temp0826 9mo agoFwiw having drank ayahuasca hundreds of times, I've never seen elves (have seen plenty of other weird stuff though). Only times have been with breakthrough doses of smoked dmt. I guarantee it doesn't make it any less/more valid. There are so many more profound things to see, I don't know why people get so hung up on elves lol (if you ever experience meeting the medicine of a master plant/tree spirt during a traditional dieta you'd be flabbergasted).
- surfsvammel 9mo agoIn my youth I experimented with hallucinogenic drugs. Having shared hallucinations are very easy. It often just requires that someone give you an idea of a hallucination, or someone tells you what they see, and your brain will make you see it as well. Maybe people know these things make you see small people, and then they are primed to do so.
- ACCount37 9mo agoIn the brain, expectations modulate perception. If your perception is breaking down, expectations can control how.
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- hmokiguess 9mo agoSo smurfs?
- JohnLeitch 9mo ago>Current tests suggest it is not likely related to any other known psychedelic compound. For one, the trips it produces are unusually long, commonly lasting 12 to 24 hours, and in some cases even causing hospital stays of up to a week. Plenty of common psychedelics have durations in excess of 12 hours. Some even in excess of 24 e.g. high doses of 2C-P. This may be a novel compound, but the duration is not necessarily an indicator.
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- Denatonium 9mo agoAnother example, this one deliriant and not psychedelic, is atropine/scopolamine, found in certain nightshades, such as deadly nightshade, mandrake, plants in the Datura genus, and trees in the Brugmansia genus. The chemical weapon QNB, also called BZ is another example of a long-acting deliriant. As far as classic psychedelics go, I've read mescaline (3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine) lasts really long.
- cthalupa 9mo agoMy experiences with mescaline are that it has mostly wound down by 6-8 hours though I can tell that I am slightly "off" for a few hours after that. Shorter timeframe than LSD, though not by a whole lot.
- davkan 9mo agoYoung me was always interested in trying datura despite the harrowing trip reports on erowid. Glad i never was presented with the opportunity.
- Denatonium 9mo agoI tried it during the summer between 8th and 9th grade after discovering a Datura Stramonium plant growing at a beach on Cape Cod. Fortunately the plant was growing in sand, and the alkaloid content of the plant was very low. I boiled an entire pod down in a soda can and gave it a try. In terms of effects, I did not become delirious, but my perception of gravity was greatly enhanced; I felt like I weighed 600lb. My eyes were also completely incapable of focusing on anything close-up for several days. I never tried Datura again, and I never will. I was lucky I didn't wind up dead, in jail, or in the hospital.
- jeffwask 9mo agoMake sure it's fully cooked or you may see little people is a wild table side instruction.
- DonaldFisk 9mo agoHere's the Wikipedia article, which provides more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogenic_bolete_mushroom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogenic_bolete_mushroom Dennis McKenna, mentioned in the article, is the brother of the late Terence McKenna.
- ajb 9mo agoPrevious discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46393936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46393936
- d4tak0w 9mo agoActually, Amanita Muscaria probably has the same alcaloid, as it induces too visions of small people watching you from the forest's bushes... Don't ask me how I know it.
- obruchez 9mo agoDo you know this from personal experience or after watching a "Hamilton's Pharmacopeia" episode or a similar documentary?
- ranger_danger 9mo agoNever heard of those, but many sites that sell THC/CBD products also sell amanita because they know it has desired effects and is mostly legal in the US.
- Prof_Sigmund 9mo agoFor some reason, this reminded me of the "little people" in a genius book, 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami.
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- MathMonkeyMan 9mo agoMaybe the compound temporarily transports you to one of those other worlds.
- jonathanlydall 9mo agoAnyone else initially struggle to parse the headline correctly? I was curious about “the mushroom making people” who were doing the “hallucinating [of] tiny humans”.
- tzs 9mo agoIt would be interesting if it turned out that they are not hallucinations. The tiny people are real but for several hundred or maybe thousands of years have been slipping something into our food or water that makes it so we don't perceive them. The chemical in this mushroom temporarily neutralizes that.
- Rodeoclash 9mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ten_O%27Clock_People https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ten_O%27Clock_People
- gavmor 9mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_of_Our_Fathers_(short_story) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_of_Our_Fathers_(short_st...
- e40 9mo agoThey Live vibes from your comment. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/
- the_sleaze_ 9mo agoLet's say something had technology so far advanced we could only perceive it as magic - our electronic brains could easily be hacked from a distance. All the advanced race would need to do is to prevent short/long term memory creation of certain things. Just set a rule to prevent caching of certain patterns, bob's your uncle they could live amongst us in peace. But of course a hallucinogenic could circumvent those hacks but fundamentally altering memory generation and perception. So in theory the aliens could be really tiny little humanoids living amongst us and we're constantly adjusting to not crush them, but we just don't remember.
- inimino 9mo agoSCP anti-memetics division.
- awithrow 9mo agoHere is a paper about an authors experience searching for these mushrooms in Yunnan. Fun stuff https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226076639_Xiao_Ren_Ren_The_Little_People_of_Yunnan https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226076639_Xiao_Ren_...